[TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption

Tue Nov 7 12:59:58 EST 2006

I have no idea about Oakland County.  They were testing the P-25 radios that 
do OpenSky and EDACS and P-25 but the results were terrible in just one 
city.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JERRY NONE" <thepolishdude at yahoo.com>
To: "Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems" 
<trunkcom at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: [TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption


> What about SLERS?  How is that going?  So what is
> Oakland doing for Interop?  Are they using that 1000
> device to interconnect between themselves and MI.?
>
> --- Jeff Kenyon <at649 at tcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I know, then what is New York doing that PA isn't'?
>> I also heard that the
>> Central Arizona Water OpenSky I guess is working
>> okay.  The only city in
>> Oakland County I think that is using the OpenSky
>> presently is Farmington
>> Hills, but everyone else is still trying to work out
>> all the glitches.
>> The  chief in Farmington Hills is pushing OpenSky
>> though.
>> In 2 2008 with the feds either using ProVoice or
>> OpenSky does this
>> mean the little trunked systems at the federal
>> prisons will become EDACS?
>> I know from what little bit I have been able to
>> monitor the one in Milan,
>> Michigan when I have been in the area or when there
>> is a band opening
>> there was not much activity, and this has either
>> been on a weekend or at
>> night, and during  the week it could be much
>> different.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps wrote:
>>
>> > In spite of ALL the problems Tyco M/A Com has had
>> in the Commonwealth of
>> > Pennsylvania, I understand that New York's system
>> is well planned and moving
>> > forward in a timely manner. Also,I have read
>> articles about local and even
>> > federal entities signing contracts with M/A Com.
>> In fact, some folks
>> > speculate that by 2008 all federal entities will
>> be using ProVoice. The next
>> > year or so could be somewhat frustrating for those
>> who scan public service
>> > (e.g. law enforcement).  Between rebanding and
>> ProVoice systems many
>> > scanners may become prematurely obsolete.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From:
>> trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
>> >
>>
> [mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf Of
>> > Jeff Kenyon
>> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:33 PM
>> > To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
>> > Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the
>> subject of encryption
>> >
>> > That was the last thing I heard.  I don't know if
>> they'll ever work with
>> > Uniden or anyone for ProVoice though.  It seems as
>> though there are more
>> > ProVoice systems coming all the time.  Do you all
>> think that this eventually
>> > will evolve into OpenSky?
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps" <aphelps at enter.net>
>> > To: "'Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio
>> Systems'"
>> > <trunkcom at mailman.qth.net>
>> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:43 PM
>> > Subject: RE: [TrunkCom] while we are on the
>> subject of encryption
>> >
>> >
>> > > The original contract with the Commonwealth did
>> include a provision
>> > > for registered "scanners" - probably radios with
>> the transmitting
>> > > circuitry disabled - for use by LE, news media,
>> etc.  I do not know if
>> > > it would be released to an individual. The unit
>> ID would be displayed
>> > > on a console in the dispatch center when the
>> scanner was powered up
>> > > and could be disabled at will if the PSP did not
>> want sensitive
>> > > information disclosed. The last I heard, was
>> that M/A Com OpenSky was
>> > > "looking" to form a partnership with a company,
>> e.g. Uniden to make
>> > > and license a scanner.  So, if that is true, it
>> negates the initial
>> > > option.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From:
>> trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
>> > >
>>
> [mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net]
>> On Behalf
>> > > Of Scott Berringer
>> > > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:59 PM
>> > > To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
>> > > Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the
>> subject of encryption
>> > >
>> > > There has been talk forever about an OpenSky
>> 'receiver' being
>> > > manufactured by MA/COM for being able to monitor
>> the Pennsylvania
>> > > system. However, that has never come to fruit. I
>> don't think it ever
>> > > will. Honestly, I don't even think the OpenSky
>> systems will survive.
>> > > Especially not with everyone trying to get
>> everything P-25 compliant.
>> > >
>> > > IMHO, Encryption should ONLY be used for
>> sensitive ops (VICE, NARCS,
>> > > SWAT,
>> > > etc...) not for day to day ops. If you need to
>> encrypt your car-to-car
>> > > channels, you got issues. Also, encryption
>> should only be available
>> > > for law enforcement and possibly arson
>> investigators. But, only on an
>> > > as-needed basis for sensitive ops.
>> > >
>> > > There is one city in Ohio that comes to mind
>> that everyone is always
>> > > whining about. Canton, Ohio PD. They have all of
>> their main PD
>> > > talkgroups encrypted in addition to them being
>> P-25 digital
>> > > modulation.
>> > > With encryption for routine operations, if you
>> give out a BOLO, the
>> > > citizens can't lend an additional set of
>> eyes/ears because they don't
>> > > know that the BOLO has been issued. Some people
>> (system
>> > > administrators) have been suckered by smooth
>> talking sales reps (from
>> > > Motorola and
>> > > MA/COM) in to thinking that they NEED full-time
>> encryption. Those
>> > > sales reps are the ones that show up for a sales
>> meeting in a
>> > > Mercedes, or a Hummer because they get paid WAY
>> TOO MUCH $$$$$$$$.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Jeff Kenyon wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi everyone, while we are on the subject of
>> encryption in the few
>> > >> rumors I have seen on the net about a possible
>> OpenSky scanner coming
>> > >> out one thing that was mentioned was encryption
>> there, and the fact
>> > >> that the radio would be able to be disabled if
>> need be.  These threads
>> > >> have been here and there, but I would imagine
>> anything OpenSky would
>> > >> be a long ways out, and I know that in PA and
>> Oakland County, Michigan
>> > >> we have to get our systems working first!
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>>
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