[TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption

Tue Nov 7 09:40:23 EST 2006

What about SLERS?  How is that going?  So what is
Oakland doing for Interop?  Are they using that 1000
device to interconnect between themselves and MI.?

--- Jeff Kenyon <at649 at tcnet.org> wrote:

> I know, then what is New York doing that PA isn't'? 
> I also heard that the
> Central Arizona Water OpenSky I guess is working
> okay.  The only city in
> Oakland County I think that is using the OpenSky
> presently is Farmington
> Hills, but everyone else is still trying to work out
> all the glitches.
> The  chief in Farmington Hills is pushing OpenSky
> though.
> 	In 2 2008 with the feds either using ProVoice or
> OpenSky does this
> mean the little trunked systems at the federal
> prisons will become EDACS?
> I know from what little bit I have been able to
> monitor the one in Milan,
> Michigan when I have been in the area or when there
> is a band opening
> there was not much activity, and this has either
> been on a weekend or at
> night, and during  the week it could be much
> different.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps wrote:
> 
> > In spite of ALL the problems Tyco M/A Com has had
> in the Commonwealth of
> > Pennsylvania, I understand that New York's system
> is well planned and moving
> > forward in a timely manner. Also,I have read
> articles about local and even
> > federal entities signing contracts with M/A Com. 
> In fact, some folks
> > speculate that by 2008 all federal entities will
> be using ProVoice. The next
> > year or so could be somewhat frustrating for those
> who scan public service
> > (e.g. law enforcement).  Between rebanding and
> ProVoice systems many
> > scanners may become prematurely obsolete.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
> >
>
[mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of
> > Jeff Kenyon
> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:33 PM
> > To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
> > Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the
> subject of encryption
> >
> > That was the last thing I heard.  I don't know if
> they'll ever work with
> > Uniden or anyone for ProVoice though.  It seems as
> though there are more
> > ProVoice systems coming all the time.  Do you all
> think that this eventually
> > will evolve into OpenSky?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps" <aphelps at enter.net>
> > To: "'Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio
> Systems'"
> > <trunkcom at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:43 PM
> > Subject: RE: [TrunkCom] while we are on the
> subject of encryption
> >
> >
> > > The original contract with the Commonwealth did
> include a provision
> > > for registered "scanners" - probably radios with
> the transmitting
> > > circuitry disabled - for use by LE, news media,
> etc.  I do not know if
> > > it would be released to an individual. The unit
> ID would be displayed
> > > on a console in the dispatch center when the
> scanner was powered up
> > > and could be disabled at will if the PSP did not
> want sensitive
> > > information disclosed. The last I heard, was
> that M/A Com OpenSky was
> > > "looking" to form a partnership with a company,
> e.g. Uniden to make
> > > and license a scanner.  So, if that is true, it
> negates the initial
> > > option.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
> > >
>
[mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf
> > > Of Scott Berringer
> > > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:59 PM
> > > To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
> > > Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the
> subject of encryption
> > >
> > > There has been talk forever about an OpenSky
> 'receiver' being
> > > manufactured by MA/COM for being able to monitor
> the Pennsylvania
> > > system. However, that has never come to fruit. I
> don't think it ever
> > > will. Honestly, I don't even think the OpenSky
> systems will survive.
> > > Especially not with everyone trying to get
> everything P-25 compliant.
> > >
> > > IMHO, Encryption should ONLY be used for
> sensitive ops (VICE, NARCS,
> > > SWAT,
> > > etc...) not for day to day ops. If you need to
> encrypt your car-to-car
> > > channels, you got issues. Also, encryption
> should only be available
> > > for law enforcement and possibly arson
> investigators. But, only on an
> > > as-needed basis for sensitive ops.
> > >
> > > There is one city in Ohio that comes to mind
> that everyone is always
> > > whining about. Canton, Ohio PD. They have all of
> their main PD
> > > talkgroups encrypted in addition to them being
> P-25 digital
> > > modulation.
> > > With encryption for routine operations, if you
> give out a BOLO, the
> > > citizens can't lend an additional set of
> eyes/ears because they don't
> > > know that the BOLO has been issued. Some people
> (system
> > > administrators) have been suckered by smooth
> talking sales reps (from
> > > Motorola and
> > > MA/COM) in to thinking that they NEED full-time
> encryption. Those
> > > sales reps are the ones that show up for a sales
> meeting in a
> > > Mercedes, or a Hummer because they get paid WAY
> TOO MUCH $$$$$$$$.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeff Kenyon wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi everyone, while we are on the subject of
> encryption in the few
> > >> rumors I have seen on the net about a possible
> OpenSky scanner coming
> > >> out one thing that was mentioned was encryption
> there, and the fact
> > >> that the radio would be able to be disabled if
> need be.  These threads
> > >> have been here and there, but I would imagine
> anything OpenSky would
> > >> be a long ways out, and I know that in PA and
> Oakland County, Michigan
> > >> we have to get our systems working first!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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