[TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption

Mon Nov 6 18:58:10 EST 2006

I know, then what is New York doing that PA isn't'?  I also heard that the
Central Arizona Water OpenSky I guess is working okay.  The only city in
Oakland County I think that is using the OpenSky presently is Farmington
Hills, but everyone else is still trying to work out all the glitches.
The  chief in Farmington Hills is pushing OpenSky though.
	In 2 2008 with the feds either using ProVoice or OpenSky does this
mean the little trunked systems at the federal prisons will become EDACS?
I know from what little bit I have been able to monitor the one in Milan,
Michigan when I have been in the area or when there is a band opening
there was not much activity, and this has either been on a weekend or at
night, and during  the week it could be much different.


On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps wrote:

> In spite of ALL the problems Tyco M/A Com has had in the Commonwealth of
> Pennsylvania, I understand that New York's system is well planned and moving
> forward in a timely manner. Also,I have read articles about local and even
> federal entities signing contracts with M/A Com.  In fact, some folks
> speculate that by 2008 all federal entities will be using ProVoice. The next
> year or so could be somewhat frustrating for those who scan public service
> (e.g. law enforcement).  Between rebanding and ProVoice systems many
> scanners may become prematurely obsolete.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Jeff Kenyon
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:33 PM
> To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
> Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption
>
> That was the last thing I heard.  I don't know if they'll ever work with
> Uniden or anyone for ProVoice though.  It seems as though there are more
> ProVoice systems coming all the time.  Do you all think that this eventually
> will evolve into OpenSky?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps" <aphelps at enter.net>
> To: "'Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems'"
> <trunkcom at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:43 PM
> Subject: RE: [TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption
>
>
> > The original contract with the Commonwealth did include a provision
> > for registered "scanners" - probably radios with the transmitting
> > circuitry disabled - for use by LE, news media, etc.  I do not know if
> > it would be released to an individual. The unit ID would be displayed
> > on a console in the dispatch center when the scanner was powered up
> > and could be disabled at will if the PSP did not want sensitive
> > information disclosed. The last I heard, was that M/A Com OpenSky was
> > "looking" to form a partnership with a company, e.g. Uniden to make
> > and license a scanner.  So, if that is true, it negates the initial
> > option.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
> > Of Scott Berringer
> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:59 PM
> > To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
> > Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption
> >
> > There has been talk forever about an OpenSky 'receiver' being
> > manufactured by MA/COM for being able to monitor the Pennsylvania
> > system. However, that has never come to fruit. I don't think it ever
> > will. Honestly, I don't even think the OpenSky systems will survive.
> > Especially not with everyone trying to get everything P-25 compliant.
> >
> > IMHO, Encryption should ONLY be used for sensitive ops (VICE, NARCS,
> > SWAT,
> > etc...) not for day to day ops. If you need to encrypt your car-to-car
> > channels, you got issues. Also, encryption should only be available
> > for law enforcement and possibly arson investigators. But, only on an
> > as-needed basis for sensitive ops.
> >
> > There is one city in Ohio that comes to mind that everyone is always
> > whining about. Canton, Ohio PD. They have all of their main PD
> > talkgroups encrypted in addition to them being P-25 digital
> > modulation.
> > With encryption for routine operations, if you give out a BOLO, the
> > citizens can't lend an additional set of eyes/ears because they don't
> > know that the BOLO has been issued. Some people (system
> > administrators) have been suckered by smooth talking sales reps (from
> > Motorola and
> > MA/COM) in to thinking that they NEED full-time encryption. Those
> > sales reps are the ones that show up for a sales meeting in a
> > Mercedes, or a Hummer because they get paid WAY TOO MUCH $$$$$$$$.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff Kenyon wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone, while we are on the subject of encryption in the few
> >> rumors I have seen on the net about a possible OpenSky scanner coming
> >> out one thing that was mentioned was encryption there, and the fact
> >> that the radio would be able to be disabled if need be.  These threads
> >> have been here and there, but I would imagine anything OpenSky would
> >> be a long ways out, and I know that in PA and Oakland County, Michigan
> >> we have to get our systems working first!
> >>
> >>
> >>
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