[TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption

Tue Nov 7 09:41:10 EST 2006

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--- Jeff Kenyon <at649 at tcnet.org> wrote:

> Does anyone think that some time down the road and I
> mean years that
> they'll be a single nation wide system for everyone
> that intogrates
> current systems into one big unified system?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Scott Berringer wrote:
> 
> > Federal entities using ProVoice? Hmmm........
> Okay. Considering all the
> > P-25 systems that are currently popping up on
> federal installations
> > across the country as we speak. But, if they say
> so.....
> >
> >
> > Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps wrote:
> >
> > > In spite of ALL the problems Tyco M/A Com has
> had in the Commonwealth of
> > > Pennsylvania, I understand that New York's
> system is well planned and moving
> > > forward in a timely manner. Also,I have read
> articles about local and even
> > > federal entities signing contracts with M/A Com.
>  In fact, some folks
> > > speculate that by 2008 all federal entities will
> be using ProVoice. The next
> > > year or so could be somewhat frustrating for
> those who scan public service
> > > (e.g. law enforcement).  Between rebanding and
> ProVoice systems many
> > > scanners may become prematurely obsolete.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
> trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
> > >
>
[mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of
> > > Jeff Kenyon
> > > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:33 PM
> > > To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
> > > Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the
> subject of encryption
> > >
> > > That was the last thing I heard.  I don't know
> if they'll ever work with
> > > Uniden or anyone for ProVoice though.  It seems
> as though there are more
> > > ProVoice systems coming all the time.  Do you
> all think that this eventually
> > > will evolve into OpenSky?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps"
> <aphelps at enter.net>
> > > To: "'Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio
> Systems'"
> > > <trunkcom at mailman.qth.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:43 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [TrunkCom] while we are on the
> subject of encryption
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>The original contract with the Commonwealth did
> include a provision
> > >>for registered "scanners" - probably radios with
> the transmitting
> > >>circuitry disabled - for use by LE, news media,
> etc.  I do not know if
> > >>it would be released to an individual. The unit
> ID would be displayed
> > >>on a console in the dispatch center when the
> scanner was powered up
> > >>and could be disabled at will if the PSP did not
> want sensitive
> > >>information disclosed. The last I heard, was
> that M/A Com OpenSky was
> > >>"looking" to form a partnership with a company,
> e.g. Uniden to make
> > >>and license a scanner.  So, if that is true, it
> negates the initial
> > >>option.
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From:
> trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
> >
>
>>[mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf
> > >>Of Scott Berringer
> > >>Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:59 PM
> > >>To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
> > >>Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the
> subject of encryption
> > >>
> > >>There has been talk forever about an OpenSky
> 'receiver' being
> > >>manufactured by MA/COM for being able to monitor
> the Pennsylvania
> > >>system. However, that has never come to fruit. I
> don't think it ever
> > >>will. Honestly, I don't even think the OpenSky
> systems will survive.
> > >>Especially not with everyone trying to get
> everything P-25 compliant.
> > >>
> > >>IMHO, Encryption should ONLY be used for
> sensitive ops (VICE, NARCS,
> > >>SWAT,
> > >>etc...) not for day to day ops. If you need to
> encrypt your car-to-car
> > >>channels, you got issues. Also, encryption
> should only be available
> > >>for law enforcement and possibly arson
> investigators. But, only on an
> > >>as-needed basis for sensitive ops.
> > >>
> > >>There is one city in Ohio that comes to mind
> that everyone is always
> > >>whining about. Canton, Ohio PD. They have all of
> their main PD
> > >>talkgroups encrypted in addition to them being
> P-25 digital
> > >>modulation.
> > >>With encryption for routine operations, if you
> give out a BOLO, the
> > >>citizens can't lend an additional set of
> eyes/ears because they don't
> > >>know that the BOLO has been issued. Some people
> (system
> > >>administrators) have been suckered by smooth
> talking sales reps (from
> > >>Motorola and
> > >>MA/COM) in to thinking that they NEED full-time
> encryption. Those
> > >>sales reps are the ones that show up for a sales
> meeting in a
> > >>Mercedes, or a Hummer because they get paid WAY
> TOO MUCH $$$$$$$$.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Jeff Kenyon wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Hi everyone, while we are on the subject of
> encryption in the few
> > >>>rumors I have seen on the net about a possible
> OpenSky scanner coming
> > >>>out one thing that was mentioned was encryption
> there, and the fact
> > >>>that the radio would be able to be disabled if
> need be.  These threads
> > >>>have been here and there, but I would imagine
> anything OpenSky would
> > >>>be a long ways out, and I know that in PA and
> Oakland County, Michigan
> > >>>we have to get our systems working first!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
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