[TrunkCom] Re: Moving to the Yahoo groups?

[Mike Vander Veer]

I'm outta here, later all.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom S" <fire092 at yahoo.com>
To: "Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems" 
<trunkcom at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: [TrunkCom] Re: Moving to the Yahoo groups?


> Hello Trunkcom members;
>
> You have not heard much out of Dave or myself in the
> last several weeks. This is because we have decided to
> part ways with Trunkcom and QTH.net.
>
> As you know, after he and I discussed the matter at
> great length, Dave N8OAY posted a message to the list
> exploring the *possibility* of moving the list to
> Yahoogroups, and you will recall that it was posted as
> an inquiry, only, to the possibility and the feelings
> of the membership regarding such a change. We felt
> that this change was worth exploring because of the
> problems we had been receiving complaints about,
> primarily complaints of message delivery problems with
> regard to some ISPs efforts to block spam. Some ISPs
> even block messages from QTH.net entirely. We also
> wished to have the capability to store files (regional
> files for programs like Win92/95/96, Butel products
> and the like) for the membership to share. Finally,
> Yahoogroups are much easier to administer.
>
> The messages Dave and I received in response were more
> than 2:1 in favor of the move.
>
> Shortly (a day or so) after Dave posted the message
> merely mentioning the *possibility* of moving to Yahoo
> groups, we discovered that our access to the group had
> been blocked. When Dave enquired of Tim (the System
> Admin of QTH.NET) as to the problem, he was told in no
> uncertain terms that Al Waller (owner of QSL/QTH) was
> absolutely opposed to moving any public list to
> another server and that we had been blocked to prevent
> us doing so.
>
> Tim then added insult to injury by insinuating that we
> would disrupt the list, or even hijack the membership
> list, move it to Yahoo, and shut the QTH list down.
>
> This action was taken unilaterally on Tim's part (with
> Al's later concurrence), and with absolutely no effort
> whatsoever on their part to contact us first to
> ascertain the reason for our consideration of moving
> the list, or any attempt to explain Al's feelings on
> the matter. It was only after Tim was asked why we
> could not access the admin interface for the list that
> we were told.
>
> After contacting Al in an attempt to cordially resolve
> the impasse, the result was the same. Al's response,
> too, was the same: the list isn't leaving QTH. Even
> though we had only explored the mere possibility of
> moving the list, and attempted to resolve the
> situation amicably, our access remained blocked.
>
> It was at that point that we decided to part ways with
> QTH.net completely. Over the years we have served as
> Trunkcom admins, we have had to put up with a lot, as
> well as taking our valuable time to monitor the list.
> We did it as a labor of love and dedication to the
> hobby, with no thought of compansation or recognition.
> However, the draconian attitude of both Al and Tim,
> and their insulting and heavy-handed actions with no
> attempt whatsoever to resolve the situation amicably,
> made us decide that we could not remain associated
> with QTH.net any longer.
>
> I would therefore like to pass along our farewells to
> the group, and our best wishes to everyone for the
> future.
>
> Tom WA8PYR
>
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