[CW] Mass Unsubscribes

Richard Knoppow 1oldlens1 at ix.netcom.com
Sun Dec 22 02:13:27 EST 2024


    I got messages from three lists, National, Heathkit and MRCG. All 
said I had too many bounces and would be unsubscribed if I did not 
return the message. I did and got another message saying that the 
command string was invalid. I then got a third message from each list 
saying I had been unsubscribed.
     I tried resending one of the reactivation messages and got the same 
message back that the command was invalid. I did this using both an 
e-mail reply and the web site. Same message in response.
     I don't know what to do. Shall I just leave it alone and it will be 
fixed or should I re-subscribe to each.  If there were actual bounces I 
have no idea why.
     I will try resubscribing to the National list and see what happens.

On 12/21/2024 9:25 PM, Scott Neader KA9FOX wrote:
> Hi David.  Are you saying you have received hundreds of emails from 
> people, all saying they did not want to unsubscribe?  That would be 
> contrary to what we believe to be true, so I'd like to get confirmation 
> of this.
> 
> On another list I'm looking at, we sent test emails to a subset of those 
> unsubscribed and, so far, 75% of those emails bounced back as 
> undeliverable.  I suspect the others are still being retried (defunct 
> servers,etc.).
> 
> I believe the vast majority of those unsubscribed have bad email 
> addresses and are rightly unsubscribed.  This is why I'd like to confirm 
> that you've heard from hundreds of people, saying the opposite.  Please 
> confirm.
> 
> - Scott KA9FOX
> 
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2024 at 10:34 PM D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea at arrl.net 
> <mailto:n1ea at arrl.net>> wrote:
> 
>     I have hundreds of unsubscriptions, they all say they never asked
>     for unsubscribe.
> 
>     Isn't there a way to revert to what we had yesterday?
> 
>     Best regards,
> 
>     David Ring N1EA
> 
>     On Sat, Dec 21, 2024, 10:30 PM Scott Neader KA9FOX <ka9fox at qsl.net
>     <mailto:ka9fox at qsl.net>> wrote:
> 
>         Hi David.  Fortunately, there was no hacking involved!  But
>         there was a Mailman problem that we recently fixed that was the
>         cause of the barrage of unsubscriptions (for those with current
>         or past email delivery issues). Let me explain:
> 
>         We were recently notified that Mailman 'Digests' were not
>         regularly being sent out to those that subscribe to them.  This
>         led us to realize that, during a software update earlier this
>         year, certain crons (automated routines) for the Mailman
>         software were not firing on schedule.  George K5TR was able to
>         fix the issue, however there was a large log jam of Mailman
>         events that began to be processed, that had been queued up to
>         run for some time.
> 
>         I can only guess that Karl (the user below that was
>         unsubscribed) had some type of temporary issue with his email,
>         perhaps weeks or maybe months ago, so that Mailman was unable to
>         deliver list mail to his address, for some period of time, and
>         caused him to get an  unsubscription added to the queue. 
>         Meanwhile, the issue with his email was probably resolved... but
>         that unsubscription was already in the queue and was recently
>         processed when the log jam was cleared.
> 
>         I think the best plan is to either resubscribe those that you
>         get notified about an unsubscription.... Or, better, would be to
>         send them each an email and see if it bounces. If no bounce, it
>         would be safe to resubscribe. If bouncing, then, of course, no
>         need to resubscribe.
> 
>         I'm sorry for the problem.
> 
>         Scott KA9FOX
> 
>         On Sat, Dec 21, 2024 at 3:08 PM D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea at arrl.net
>         <mailto:n1ea at arrl.net>> wrote:
> 
>             A hacker got into qth.net <http://qth.net> and did a massive
>             unsubscribe.
> 
>             I've notified Scott Neader, KA9FOX, owner of QSL/QTH net
>             which hosts the email lists.
> 
>             Since it's happening to all lists, I'm hopeful Scott can
>             roll things back to pre-hacker.
> 
>             73
> 
>             David N1EA
> 
>             On Sat, Dec 21, 2024, 11:34 AM <mailman-
>             bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:mailman-
>             bounces at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
> 
>                 The attached message was received as a bounce, but
>                 either the bounce
>                 format was not recognized, or no member addresses could
>                 be extracted
>                 from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
>                 unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
> 
>                 For more information see:
>                 http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/admin/cw/bounce <http://
>                 mailman.qth.net/mailman/admin/cw/bounce>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>                 From: Karl Zuk <karlzuk at hotmail.com
>                 <mailto:karlzuk at hotmail.com>>
>                 To: "cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:cw-
>                 bounces at mailman.qth.net>" <cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>                 <mailto:cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net>>
>                 Cc:
>                 Bcc:
>                 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:34:21 +0000
>                 Subject: Re: You have been unsubscribed from the CW
>                 mailing list
>                 I did not want to unsubscribe!  Karl Zuk  N2KZ
> 
>                 On Dec 21, 2024, at 10:11 AM, cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>                 <mailto:cw-bounces at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>                 Thank you for belonging to the CW reflector, we wish
>                 you well and look
>                 forward to the time when you return.
> 
>                 73
> 
> 
>         - Scott
>         __
> 
>         Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S21. Please excuse brevity and typos.
> 
> 
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Richard Knoppow
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