[TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption

[Scott Berringer]

Federal entities using ProVoice? Hmmm........ Okay. Considering all the 
P-25 systems that are currently popping up on federal installations 
across the country as we speak. But, if they say so.....


Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps wrote:

> In spite of ALL the problems Tyco M/A Com has had in the Commonwealth of
> Pennsylvania, I understand that New York's system is well planned and moving
> forward in a timely manner. Also,I have read articles about local and even
> federal entities signing contracts with M/A Com.  In fact, some folks
> speculate that by 2008 all federal entities will be using ProVoice. The next
> year or so could be somewhat frustrating for those who scan public service
> (e.g. law enforcement).  Between rebanding and ProVoice systems many
> scanners may become prematurely obsolete. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Jeff Kenyon
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:33 PM
> To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
> Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption
> 
> That was the last thing I heard.  I don't know if they'll ever work with
> Uniden or anyone for ProVoice though.  It seems as though there are more
> ProVoice systems coming all the time.  Do you all think that this eventually
> will evolve into OpenSky?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur-Bryan E. Phelps" <aphelps at enter.net>
> To: "'Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems'" 
> <trunkcom at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:43 PM
> Subject: RE: [TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption
> 
> 
> 
>>The original contract with the Commonwealth did include a provision 
>>for registered "scanners" - probably radios with the transmitting 
>>circuitry disabled - for use by LE, news media, etc.  I do not know if 
>>it would be released to an individual. The unit ID would be displayed 
>>on a console in the dispatch center when the scanner was powered up 
>>and could be disabled at will if the PSP did not want sensitive 
>>information disclosed. The last I heard, was that M/A Com OpenSky was 
>>"looking" to form a partnership with a company, e.g. Uniden to make 
>>and license a scanner.  So, if that is true, it negates the initial 
>>option.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net
>>[mailto:trunkcom-bounces+aphelps=enter.net at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf 
>>Of Scott Berringer
>>Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:59 PM
>>To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
>>Subject: Re: [TrunkCom] while we are on the subject of encryption
>>
>>There has been talk forever about an OpenSky 'receiver' being 
>>manufactured by MA/COM for being able to monitor the Pennsylvania 
>>system. However, that has never come to fruit. I don't think it ever 
>>will. Honestly, I don't even think the OpenSky systems will survive.
>>Especially not with everyone trying to get everything P-25 compliant.
>>
>>IMHO, Encryption should ONLY be used for sensitive ops (VICE, NARCS, 
>>SWAT,
>>etc...) not for day to day ops. If you need to encrypt your car-to-car 
>>channels, you got issues. Also, encryption should only be available 
>>for law enforcement and possibly arson investigators. But, only on an 
>>as-needed basis for sensitive ops.
>>
>>There is one city in Ohio that comes to mind that everyone is always 
>>whining about. Canton, Ohio PD. They have all of their main PD 
>>talkgroups encrypted in addition to them being P-25 digital 
>>modulation.
>>With encryption for routine operations, if you give out a BOLO, the 
>>citizens can't lend an additional set of eyes/ears because they don't 
>>know that the BOLO has been issued. Some people (system 
>>administrators) have been suckered by smooth talking sales reps (from 
>>Motorola and
>>MA/COM) in to thinking that they NEED full-time encryption. Those 
>>sales reps are the ones that show up for a sales meeting in a 
>>Mercedes, or a Hummer because they get paid WAY TOO MUCH $$$$$$$$.
>>
>>
>>
>>Jeff Kenyon wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi everyone, while we are on the subject of encryption in the few
>>>rumors I have seen on the net about a possible OpenSky scanner coming
>>>out one thing that was mentioned was encryption there, and the fact
>>>that the radio would be able to be disabled if need be.  These threads
>>>have been here and there, but I would imagine anything OpenSky would
>>>be a long ways out, and I know that in PA and Oakland County, Michigan
>>>we have to get our systems working first!
>>>
>>>
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