[TrunkCom] Re: Moving to the Yahoo groups?

[Mike Curtis]

Since I am the idiot who asked the question that started this mess in the
first place I want to beg everyone.
PLEASE DO NOT POST ON THIS TOPIC AGAIN.

We have heard both sides and it really does not matter where anyone stands
on any of the issues discussed.  Posting follow-ups will not
change/fix/resolve/improve the situation, so just don't do it.

We are here to discuss trunking radio systems and nothing else.
Thanks.

Now back on topic....


-----Original Message-----
From: trunkcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:trunkcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:12 PM
To: 'Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems'
Subject: RE: [TrunkCom] Re: Moving to the Yahoo groups?

 


There is a group called TrunkCom2 on Yahoogroups. anyone who 
wants could move there. 


>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: trunkcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>>[mailto:trunkcom-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom S
>>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:33 PM
>>To: Discussion of Monitoring Trunk Radio Systems
>>Subject: [TrunkCom] Re: Moving to the Yahoo groups?
>>
>>Hello Trunkcom members;
>>
>>You have not heard much out of Dave or myself in the last several 
>>weeks. This is because we have decided to part ways with Trunkcom and 
>>QTH.net.
>>
>>As you know, after he and I discussed the matter at great 
>length, Dave 
>>N8OAY posted a message to the list exploring the
>>*possibility* of moving the list to Yahoogroups, and you will recall 
>>that it was posted as an inquiry, only, to the possibility and the 
>>feelings of the membership regarding such a change. We felt that this 
>>change was worth exploring because of the problems we had been 
>>receiving complaints about, primarily complaints of message delivery 
>>problems with regard to some ISPs efforts to block spam. Some 
>ISPs even 
>>block messages from QTH.net entirely. We also wished to have the 
>>capability to store files (regional files for programs like 
>>Win92/95/96, Butel products and the like) for the membership 
>to share. 
>>Finally, Yahoogroups are much easier to administer.
>>
>>The messages Dave and I received in response were more than
>>2:1 in favor of the move.
>>
>>Shortly (a day or so) after Dave posted the message merely mentioning 
>>the *possibility* of moving to Yahoo groups, we discovered that our 
>>access to the group had been blocked. When Dave enquired of Tim (the 
>>System Admin of QTH.NET) as to the problem, he was told in no 
>uncertain 
>>terms that Al Waller (owner of QSL/QTH) was absolutely opposed to 
>>moving any public list to another server and that we had been blocked 
>>to prevent us doing so.
>>
>>Tim then added insult to injury by insinuating that we would disrupt 
>>the list, or even hijack the membership list, move it to Yahoo, and 
>>shut the QTH list down.
>>
>>This action was taken unilaterally on Tim's part (with Al's later 
>>concurrence), and with absolutely no effort whatsoever on 
>their part to 
>>contact us first to ascertain the reason for our consideration of 
>>moving the list, or any attempt to explain Al's feelings on 
>the matter. 
>>It was only after Tim was asked why we could not access the admin 
>>interface for the list that we were told.
>>
>>After contacting Al in an attempt to cordially resolve the 
>impasse, the 
>>result was the same. Al's response, too, was the
>>same: the list isn't leaving QTH. Even though we had only 
>explored the 
>>mere possibility of moving the list, and attempted to resolve the 
>>situation amicably, our access remained blocked.
>>
>>It was at that point that we decided to part ways with QTH.net 
>>completely. Over the years we have served as Trunkcom admins, we have 
>>had to put up with a lot, as well as taking our valuable time to 
>>monitor the list.
>>We did it as a labor of love and dedication to the hobby, with no 
>>thought of compansation or recognition.
>>However, the draconian attitude of both Al and Tim, and their 
>insulting 
>>and heavy-handed actions with no attempt whatsoever to resolve the 
>>situation amicably, made us decide that we could not remain 
>associated 
>>with QTH.net any longer.
>>
>>I would therefore like to pass along our farewells to the group, and 
>>our best wishes to everyone for the future.
>>
>>Tom WA8PYR
>>
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