[TheForge] something I hope better than what was the theft of metal public

Tue Apr 21 02:27:57 EDT 2015

I haven’t seen it in years, but there used to a carbon paste that could be used to make a sort of mold one could fill with welding rod or you could pack it in a threaded hole and save the threads when you welded nearby. Handy stuff but when i went back to Forney, they didn’t stock it any more.
How bout backing the kiln paper with clay?

On Apr 20, 2015, at 10:51 PM, jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net> wrote:

Won't work. aluminum has a melting temp of around 1,100f and glass needs in
excess of 1,500 to slump and better than 1,600 to flow. Glass sticks to
darned neat anything, I was getting limited success with soap stone but
being a form of asbestos it insulated the glass enough it'd barely vitrify
instead of liquify.

The guy at the art glass studio sold me a roll of kiln paper which is
ceramic fiber paper, same stuff as Kaowool. Kiln paper seems to be working
okay so far. I can get a good enough seal the glass doesn't just flow out.

I just brought kiln paper backer experiment #2 in and it's a fail. It flowed
and it looks like the paper kept it in the cross but there's barely a skim
at the "bottom" and I had it piled pretty high. I now know one more way it
won't work. YAY! I should keep count though I strongly doubt I'll rival
Edison's count.

Jer

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Tin foil dams?

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:54 PM, jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net> wrote:

> "The Art of Blacksmithing" has a piece about it too. What I'm doing 
> isn't really slumping, I'm attempting to melt the glass to a state 
> fluid enough to fill nooks and crannies and be somewhat thick, in the 
> 1/8" range. I have my latest tempering in the forge now but it's 
> really hard to keep the stuff in the negative space when fluid enough 
> to flow. The stuff tends to want to sweat out like solder and spread 
> out between the cross and the clamp.
> 
> Jer
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> dantull dantull
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> Jer,
> Melting(slumping) glass into steel cavities was done by Ivan 
> Bailey(ABANA
> founder) many years ago. It certainly does work . Even for me.
> 
> It's not firewood, it's a vaasse.
> Dan Tull
> Georgia
> 
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:47 PM, jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> A tarp with weighted edges and flesh eating  beetles. A few days and 
>> bones are all that's left.
>> 
>> Good grief I can't believe I actually contributed to this thread. Is 
>> anyone actually doing something constructive we can talk about?
>> 
>> I don't want to be a lurker who just gripes and never contributes so 
>> I'll put this up. I'd post a pic or two of what I've been 
>> experimenting with but Shutterfly requires me to subscribe and I get 
>> too much spam already. Text it is then. I'll shoot you pics on the 
>> side if you like.
>> 
>> Recently I've been making Fredrich's crosses, they're good 
>> beginner's projects and any kind of twisting wows the new folk so 
>> they're good demo products. Recently our Pastor retired so I thought 
>> I'd make him ad the new Pastor a nice key forb, zipper pull, etc. 
>> but wanted a little something extra and thought filling the negative 
>> space with red glass was a natural if kind of heavy handed symbolism.
>> 
>> That's what I've been doing. One of the guys in the club is a champ 
>> at slumping marbles but what I'm trying is more like Plique a jure 
>> only much thicker and in a steel frame. This is proving a little 
>> problematical but is progressing. Seriously, what fun is 
>> experimentation
> if it's easy?
>> 
>> I spent a very profitable 45 minutes or so sponging everything I 
>> could from the owner and instructor at an art glass studio in 
>> Anchorage. I learned a bunch of good stuff. funny, his first comment 
>> after I described what I'm trying was. "It won't work." Then I 
>> showed him the latest successful piece and he said, "maybe it will." 
>> It wasn't what I'm ultimately shooting for but it's not bad, even 
>> marketable if I can't get better.
>> 
>> Oh, the last feature of the crucifixes for the Pastors. They aren't 
>> going to be key fobs or zipper pulls I'm making the bottom of  the 
>> post a bottle opener. I had to change from 3/8" sq. stock to 1/2" sq.
>> but it's a small sacrifice. I mean really what Pastor shouldn't have 
>> a nice custom made, hand forged church key?
>> 
>> Jer
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> 
>> On 4/19/15, 7:26 AM, Larry Brown wrote:
>>> Actually I believe in that case it is fixed. Corpses tend not to 
>>> do many more stupid things ;-)
>> They do, however, make a nasty mess for the rest of us to clean. :( 
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under 6%,  while fighting a government that is trying to destroy him, and
still be told he's failing as President.

Heat it up
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