[TheForge] something I hope better than what was the theft of metal public

Tue Apr 21 01:51:59 EDT 2015

Won't work. aluminum has a melting temp of around 1,100f and glass needs in
excess of 1,500 to slump and better than 1,600 to flow. Glass sticks to
darned neat anything, I was getting limited success with soap stone but
being a form of asbestos it insulated the glass enough it'd barely vitrify
instead of liquify.

The guy at the art glass studio sold me a roll of kiln paper which is
ceramic fiber paper, same stuff as Kaowool. Kiln paper seems to be working
okay so far. I can get a good enough seal the glass doesn't just flow out.

I just brought kiln paper backer experiment #2 in and it's a fail. It flowed
and it looks like the paper kept it in the cross but there's barely a skim
at the "bottom" and I had it piled pretty high. I now know one more way it
won't work. YAY! I should keep count though I strongly doubt I'll rival
Edison's count.

Jer

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Tin foil dams?

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:54 PM, jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net> wrote:

> "The Art of Blacksmithing" has a piece about it too. What I'm doing 
> isn't really slumping, I'm attempting to melt the glass to a state 
> fluid enough to fill nooks and crannies and be somewhat thick, in the 
> 1/8" range. I have my latest tempering in the forge now but it's 
> really hard to keep the stuff in the negative space when fluid enough 
> to flow. The stuff tends to want to sweat out like solder and spread 
> out between the cross and the clamp.
>
> Jer
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> dantull dantull
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> theft of metal public
>
> Jer,
> Melting(slumping) glass into steel cavities was done by Ivan 
> Bailey(ABANA
> founder) many years ago. It certainly does work . Even for me.
>
> It's not firewood, it's a vaasse.
> Dan Tull
> Georgia
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:47 PM, jerry Frost <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> > A tarp with weighted edges and flesh eating  beetles. A few days and 
> > bones are all that's left.
> >
> > Good grief I can't believe I actually contributed to this thread. Is 
> > anyone actually doing something constructive we can talk about?
> >
> > I don't want to be a lurker who just gripes and never contributes so 
> > I'll put this up. I'd post a pic or two of what I've been 
> > experimenting with but Shutterfly requires me to subscribe and I get 
> > too much spam already. Text it is then. I'll shoot you pics on the 
> > side if you like.
> >
> > Recently I've been making Fredrich's crosses, they're good 
> > beginner's projects and any kind of twisting wows the new folk so 
> > they're good demo products. Recently our Pastor retired so I thought 
> > I'd make him ad the new Pastor a nice key forb, zipper pull, etc. 
> > but wanted a little something extra and thought filling the negative 
> > space with red glass was a natural if kind of heavy handed symbolism.
> >
> > That's what I've been doing. One of the guys in the club is a champ 
> > at slumping marbles but what I'm trying is more like Plique a jure 
> > only much thicker and in a steel frame. This is proving a little 
> > problematical but is progressing. Seriously, what fun is 
> > experimentation
> if it's easy?
> >
> > I spent a very profitable 45 minutes or so sponging everything I 
> > could from the owner and instructor at an art glass studio in 
> > Anchorage. I learned a bunch of good stuff. funny, his first comment 
> > after I described what I'm trying was. "It won't work." Then I 
> > showed him the latest successful piece and he said, "maybe it will." 
> > It wasn't what I'm ultimately shooting for but it's not bad, even 
> > marketable if I can't get better.
> >
> > Oh, the last feature of the crucifixes for the Pastors. They aren't 
> > going to be key fobs or zipper pulls I'm making the bottom of  the 
> > post a bottle opener. I had to change from 3/8" sq. stock to 1/2" sq.
> > but it's a small sacrifice. I mean really what Pastor shouldn't have 
> > a nice custom made, hand forged church key?
> >
> > Jer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> >
> >
> > On 4/19/15, 7:26 AM, Larry Brown wrote:
> > > Actually I believe in that case it is fixed. Corpses tend not to 
> > > do many more stupid things ;-)
> > They do, however, make a nasty mess for the rest of us to clean. :( 
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bring gas down under $3, get bin Laden, end 2 wars, bring unemployment down
under 6%,  while fighting a government that is trying to destroy him, and
still be told he's failing as President.

Heat it up
Hit it hard
Repent as necessary.

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