[TheForge] All States propane torch

[Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer]

Hi Jim:
Now that you have the necessary parts;
Is the AllStates claim of a 450,000 BTU rosebud realistic?

On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:36 PM, James Binnion wrote:

Clyde,

I would like to get the part numbers from you for the Harris products.

Jim
On May 31, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Clyde Wynia wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> I have two of these Allstates torches. They are fantastic. They are made for
> Allstates by Harris. A couple of years ago the guy would handles Harris for
> the Western half of the US was out here with a motorcycle group and we
> talked about the torch, prices etc. 
> 
> I questioned him on getting one of the torches. He called the home office at
> Harris and was told that Harris sells the same torch they sell to Allstates
> to anyone. I checked some sellers and you can pick those torches up for a
> fraction of the price. I did some searching and found a dealer on the net
> that sells them pretty cheap. 
> 
> The only question I still have is the propane regulator. The one that comes
> with the Allstates kit is self adjusting and goes up as I understand it to
> only 4oz. That's all this torch needs but you can crank the Oxy up to 120
> lbs and more. I don't know where you would get that same regulator or if it
> is necessary.
> 
> Allstates only sells these over the net or through demonstrators and keep
> the prices ridiculously high. For example the Harris tip through them costs
> 3 times as much as the same number Harris costs from anyone else. Since Lyle
> died the service and cooperation from the allstates people has deteriorated.
> 
> 
> I can look up the parts numbers and send them to you if you like
> 
> Clyde
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Palmer
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> Subject: [TheForge] All States propane torch
> 
> Theforge seems pretty dead...so i thought to post something to see if anyone
> is still alive here.
> Frosty has enthusiastically touted these torches for years and i've never
> been able to afford one new or find one used.
> It appears that they are really good and efficient at oxy-propane rosebud
> heating and pretty good at economical cutting.
> The rest of the claims seem ripe with hype..I say this without ever using
> one.
> Using my biggest Victor rosebud for spot heat while forging and bending...I
> burn a heck of a lot of oxy and the nearest gas distributor is over the
> mountain, an hour and a half  drive away.
> But...The full on, "Magnum" AllStates rig costs around $1500! And just
> enough stuff to run their rosebud looks like around $1000 according to Darin
> there.
> The web site is amateurish, there is no 800# or parts list, or price list...
> The guy who invented it is RIP.  Wonder how long they will remain in
> business?
> Did i mention they also sell riding mowers and guns and ammo?
> So, if anyone has an allstates torch rig they want to sell cheap..please let
> me know....
> Otherwise, it's gunna have to save a whole heck of a lot of oxy to begin to
> justify the price!
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