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[Bob]

     It is about protecting us (the citizens) from a runaway government 
that would gather too much power to itself, as most previous governments 
in history had done, by giving us the ability take power back. The 
Federalist Papers which preceded the constitution make this fact 
abundantly clear.

Bob Willman
The Eagle’s Anvil
Bowling Green, Ohio
WB8NQW

And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when
we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the
minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God?
That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I
tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His
justice cannot sleep forever.

Thomas Jefferson

On 12/17/2012 6:00 PM, James Binnion wrote:
> Again it is about providing an augment to the standing army, the tyrant they were worried about was King George it is not about personal protection from your neighbor. We never faced the full British strength, in both the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 European nations, especially France and Spain played a decisive role in occupying the major portion of Britain's land and naval forces.
>
> On Dec 17, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Bob wrote:
>
>> The second amendment wording recognizes that a government will have a "well regulated militia" and to prevent that government controlled militia from taking power from its citizens, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". King George had tried to disarm the colonies and our founders specifically wrote into the "Bill of Rights" a provision to give individual citizens the ability to prevent government from overrunning our rights. Individual citizens did in fact withstand and defeat a "full on assault from the British".
>>
>> Bob Willman
>> The Eagle’s Anvil
>> Bowling Green, Ohio
>> WB8NQW
>>
>> And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when
>> we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the
>> minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God?
>> That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I
>> tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His
>> justice cannot sleep forever.
>>
>> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> On 12/17/2012 4:54 PM, James Binnion wrote:
>>> No, the 2nd amendments context in its time was to provide the new government with an armed body in case the British decided to try to take back the wayward colonies. Our standing army and navy were mostly nonexistent and in no way equipped to withstand a full on assault from the British. So to have a "well regulated militia" to add their muskets to the cause would be a great improvement. To try to apply the 2nd amendment to the situation we are in in the 21st century is ludicrous, any foe we have as a nation that is crazy enough to try to tackle us with arms will do so with weapons systems that will not be in the least bit affected by any number of armed citizens. Any other interpretation of the purpose of the 2nd amendment is later day weasel wording and obfuscation to support the rather lucrative weapons sales in the US and is driven by the fear and macho based advertising done by said weapons merchants. Given the annual number of homicides with firearms is about 11,000 per
>>>    year one has about a 1 in 26,000 chance of being a fatality from one. Actually much less because many if not the majority of those deaths result from altercations between professional criminals. So given that the annual death rate is about 8 in a thousand  with the exception for a very few professions and a tiny number of other affected individuals the argument that one needs a fire arm for self protection is purely a figment of the fear based marketing of the arms merchants.
>>>
>>> For a good example of such advertising look at Bushmasters advertising program that poses the question,  are you man enough to have a Bushmaster?
>>>
>>> http://www.bushmaster.com/press-release-050710.asp
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2012, at 1:11 PM, <rfertner at cox.net> <rfertner at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is why it is constitutional. The Constitution is about self-defence and not hunting.
>>> James Binnion
>>> jbin at well.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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