[TheForge] todays shooting in school.

[Rob Fertner]

Did you watch it? I don't always agree with them on other things, but in
this video that make the point quite plain. 

As far as your comment earlier about the need for self-defense. Tell it to
my cousin, wait you can't, he was murdered by a 16 year old punk in Detroit.
My cousin's murderer is now serving life with no parole in a state prison.
Plus, in most uses of a firearm for self-defense, the firearm was not fired.
The presence of a firearm with the presumed victim stopped the crime. These
episodes don't get splashed across the news. 

Rob

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Binnion
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 4:34 PM
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I love Penn and Teller, they are great entertainers, illusionists and
comedians but , maybe not the best source of information for thoughtful
debate. But to each his own.


On Dec 17, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Rob Fertner wrote:

> I believe Penn & Teller answer you best.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhXOuuHcjbs&feature=player_embedded#!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Binnion
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:55 PM
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] todays shooting in school.
> 
> No, the 2nd amendments context in its time was to provide the new 
> government with an armed body in case the British decided to try to 
> take back the wayward colonies. Our standing army and navy were mostly 
> nonexistent and in no way equipped to withstand a full on assault from 
> the British. So to have a "well regulated militia" to add their 
> muskets to the cause would be a great improvement. To try to apply the 
> 2nd amendment to the situation we are in in the 21st century is 
> ludicrous, any foe we have as a nation that is crazy enough to try to 
> tackle us with arms will do so with weapons systems that will not be in
the least bit affected by any number of armed citizens.
> Any other interpretation of the purpose of the 2nd amendment is later 
> day weasel wording and obfuscation to support the rather lucrative 
> weapons sales in the US and is driven by the fear and macho based 
> advertising done by said weapons merchants. Given the annual number of 
> homicides with firearms is about 11,000 per  year one has about a 1 in 
> 26,000 chance of being a fatality from one.
> Actually much less because many if not the majority of those deaths 
> result from altercations between professional criminals. So given that 
> the annual death rate is about 8 in a thousand  with the exception for 
> a very few professions and a tiny number of other affected individuals 
> the argument that one needs a fire arm for self protection is purely a 
> figment of the fear based marketing of the arms merchants.
> 
> For a good example of such advertising look at Bushmasters advertising 
> program that poses the question,  are you man enough to have a Bushmaster?
> 
> http://www.bushmaster.com/press-release-050710.asp
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2012, at 1:11 PM, <rfertner at cox.net> <rfertner at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>> This is why it is constitutional. The Constitution is about 
>> self-defence
> and not hunting.
> 
> 
> James Binnion
> jbin at well.com
> 
> 
> 
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