[TheForge] todays shooting in school.

[James Binnion]

I love Penn and Teller, they are great entertainers, illusionists and comedians but , maybe not the best source of information for thoughtful debate. But to each his own.


On Dec 17, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Rob Fertner wrote:

> I believe Penn & Teller answer you best.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhXOuuHcjbs&feature=player_embedded#!
> 
> 
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James Binnion
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:55 PM
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] todays shooting in school.
> 
> No, the 2nd amendments context in its time was to provide the new government
> with an armed body in case the British decided to try to take back the
> wayward colonies. Our standing army and navy were mostly nonexistent and in
> no way equipped to withstand a full on assault from the British. So to have
> a "well regulated militia" to add their muskets to the cause would be a
> great improvement. To try to apply the 2nd amendment to the situation we are
> in in the 21st century is ludicrous, any foe we have as a nation that is
> crazy enough to try to tackle us with arms will do so with weapons systems
> that will not be in the least bit affected by any number of armed citizens.
> Any other interpretation of the purpose of the 2nd amendment is later day
> weasel wording and obfuscation to support the rather lucrative weapons sales
> in the US and is driven by the fear and macho based advertising done by said
> weapons merchants. Given the annual number of homicides with firearms is
> about 11,000 per
>  year one has about a 1 in 26,000 chance of being a fatality from one.
> Actually much less because many if not the majority of those deaths result
> from altercations between professional criminals. So given that the annual
> death rate is about 8 in a thousand  with the exception for a very few
> professions and a tiny number of other affected individuals the argument
> that one needs a fire arm for self protection is purely a figment of the
> fear based marketing of the arms merchants.
> 
> For a good example of such advertising look at Bushmasters advertising
> program that poses the question,  are you man enough to have a Bushmaster? 
> 
> http://www.bushmaster.com/press-release-050710.asp
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2012, at 1:11 PM, <rfertner at cox.net> <rfertner at cox.net> wrote:
> 
>> This is why it is constitutional. The Constitution is about self-defence
> and not hunting.
> 
> 
> James Binnion
> jbin at well.com
> 
> 
> 
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James Binnion
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