[TheForge] TheForge Digest, Vol 72, Issue 13
ray1940 at att.net
ray1940 at att.net
Sat Jan 16 01:11:38 EST 2010
it is tragic when words, good or bad, define who we are. we need to get back to, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words can never harm me." you are who you are; defined only by who you are in your own mind. i like, "it is none of my business what you think of me." it only matters what i think of me.
ray- Chico, CA
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> 1. Re: Cal Lane (Lucky7Steel)
> 2. Re: Cal Lane (Andy Gladish)
> 3. Re: Cal Lane (Andy Gladish)
> 4. Re: Cal Lane (Woolley)
> 5. Re: Cal Lane (ries)
> 6. Re: Cal Lane (Jerry Frost)
> 7. Re: Cal Lane (Jerry Frost)
> 8. Re: Cal Lane (CGRAF)
> 9. Re: Cal Lane (Peter Fels & Phoebe
> Palmer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:56:34 -0500
> From: Lucky7Steel <lucky7steel at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
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> Am i wrong in thinking that torch cutting could warp the
> hell out of
> her work and it must be primarily plasma cutting? i often
> wonder how
> she has such a steady hand and doesn't cut through the odd
> little
> line.
> On another note i'm still not over the
> "most_beautiful_smith_in_the_world" business even though
> it's been a
> few days. Depressing to me that this was how she was
> described.
> Although i've decided to add physical descriptions of all
> the men's
> work i think are hot from now on. ;-)
> Today i had to replace my acetylene regulator from my
> oxy/acet kit
> (which was over 9 years at least) and as i was leaving the
> shop, the
> guy felt the need to tell me how to adjust the working
> pressure on my
> tank! At first i thought he was trying to tell me something
> WAY more
> complicated because how on earth would he think i didn't
> know that
> when i just spoke at length about my regulator and had been
> in there
> tons of times. I've been doing metalwork for 20 years and
> almost every
> time i go to pick up supplies this happens. So, just to
> say, adding
> gendered descriptions to someone just because they are
> female does no
> one any good in the long run. Cal is very talented. If she
> wasn't
> 'attractive" would that make a difference?
>
> ~Karen~
> www.lucky7steel.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:32:47 -0800
> From: "Andy Gladish" <gladish at cablerocket.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
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> Karen, I feel quite fortunate that there are a few females
> who follow my
> blog that love my work AND think I'm hot...perhaps it's a
> nice feeling
> because it's by far the exception rather than the rule; I
> certainly
> wouldn't like it if they weren't respectful of the fact
> that I'm married
> or if it happened all the time...
> I'm also very touchy about people being condescending, and
> it has nothing
> to do with gender issues, more about respect for the hard
> won knowledge I
> have- still, I tend to listen carefully whenever someone
> offers
> unsolicited advice- always seem to learn something, despite
> myself.
> VERY cool work, I love the push toys!
> Andy
>
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:56:34 -0800, Lucky7Steel <lucky7steel at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> > On another note i'm still not over the
> > "most_beautiful_smith_in_the_world" business even
> though it's been a
> > few days. Depressing to me that this was how she was
> described.
> > Although i've decided to add physical descriptions of
> all the men's
> > work i think are hot from now on. ;-)
> > Today i had to replace my acetylene regulator from my
> oxy/acet kit
> > (which was over 9 years at least) and as i was leaving
> the shop, the
> > guy felt the need to tell me how to adjust the working
> pressure on my
> > tank! At first i thought he was trying to tell me
> something WAY more
> > complicated because how on earth would he think i
> didn't know that
> > when i just spoke at length about my regulator and had
> been in there
> > tons of times. I've been doing metalwork for 20 years
> and almost every
> > time i go to pick up supplies this happens. So, just
> to say, adding
> > gendered descriptions to someone just because they are
> female does no
> > one any good in the long run. Cal is very talented. If
> she wasn't
> > 'attractive" would that make a difference?
> >
> > ~Karen~
> > www.lucky7steel.com
>
> Naive you are / if you believe / life favours those / who
> aren't naive.
> -Piet Hein, poet and scientist (1905-1996)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:38:48 -0800
> From: "Andy Gladish" <gladish at cablerocket.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
> To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Oh, wanted to ask- did you make your own website
> (Lucky7.com) ?
> Mine was built four years ago by a programming whiz who,
> before he moved
> away, told me how simple it was to just change tags
> and....yeah, my eyes
> glazed over and website hasn't been updated since.
> Still looking for a website building program that's simple
> enough for a
> drag'n'drop idiot like me to maintain.
> Thanks,
> Andy G
> ElementFe.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:58:15 -0500
> From: Woolley <wjec1 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
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> Lucky7Steel wrote:
> > On another note i'm still not over the
> > "most_beautiful_smith_in_the_world" business even
> though it's been a
> > few days. Depressing to me that this was how she was
> described.
> >
> Well, we haven't seen a picture of you so how would we know
> she is the
> most beautiful smith in the world.........
>
>
>
> > If she wasn't
> > 'attractive" would that make a difference?
> >
> >
> It would to me. Heck with the work, who wants to look
> at an ugly smith? Ha!
>
>
> > ~Karen~
> > www.lucky7steel.com
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:03:14 -0800
> From: ries <ries at riesniemi.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> I think she does primarily torch cut.
> but she does plasma cut as well.
> In thicker material, the torch is better- plasma tends to
> blow a
> bigger starting hole when piercing, in my experience, and
> the bigger
> the plasma, the higher the price.
> I think also, its just that she started with a torch, and
> is
> comfortable with it.
>
> Unfortunately, in the art world, it is all too common to
> promote women
> artist's based on appearance.
> And especially when general interest publications like the
> New York
> Times writes about women artists.
> there are quite a few women artists who undoubtedly get
> extra press
> due to their looks.
>
> Just the way the world still works...
>
> ries
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:56 PM, Lucky7Steel wrote:
>
> Am i wrong in thinking that torch cutting could warp the
> hell out of
> her work and it must be primarily plasma cutting? i often
> wonder how
> she has such a steady hand and doesn't cut through the odd
> little
> line.
> On another note i'm still not over the
> "most_beautiful_smith_in_the_world" business even though
> it's been a
> few days. Depressing to me that this was how she was
> described.
> Although i've decided to add physical descriptions of all
> the men's
> work i think are hot from now on. ;-)
> Today i had to replace my acetylene regulator from my
> oxy/acet kit
> (which was over 9 years at least) and as i was leaving the
> shop, the
> guy felt the need to tell me how to adjust the working
> pressure on my
> tank! At first i thought he was trying to tell me something
> WAY more
> complicated because how on earth would he think i didn't
> know that
> when i just spoke at length about my regulator and had been
> in there
> tons of times. I've been doing metalwork for 20 years and
> almost every
> time i go to pick up supplies this happens. So, just to
> say, adding
> gendered descriptions to someone just because they are
> female does no
> one any good in the long run. Cal is very talented. If she
> wasn't
> 'attractive" would that make a difference?
>
> ~Karen~
> www.lucky7steel.com
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:32:47 -0900
> From: "Jerry Frost" <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lucky7Steel" <lucky7steel at gmail.com>
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
>
>
> > Am i wrong in thinking that torch cutting could warp
> the hell out of
> > her work and it must be primarily plasma cutting? i
> often wonder how
> > she has such a steady hand and doesn't cut through the
> odd little
> > line.
> > On another note i'm still not over the
> > "most_beautiful_smith_in_the_world" business even
> though it's been a
> > few days. Depressing to me that this was how she was
> described.
> > Although i've decided to add physical descriptions of
> all the men's
> > work i think are hot from now on. ;-)
> > Today i had to replace my acetylene regulator from my
> oxy/acet kit
> > (which was over 9 years at least) and as i was leaving
> the shop, the
> > guy felt the need to tell me how to adjust the working
> pressure on my
> > tank! At first i thought he was trying to tell me
> something WAY more
> > complicated because how on earth would he think i
> didn't know that
> > when i just spoke at length about my regulator and had
> been in there
> > tons of times. I've been doing metalwork for 20 years
> and almost every
> > time i go to pick up supplies this happens. So, just
> to say, adding
> > gendered descriptions to someone just because they are
> female does no
> > one any good in the long run. Cal is very talented. If
> she wasn't
> > 'attractive" would that make a difference?
> >
> > ~Karen~
> > www.lucky7steel.com
>
>
> It might Karen, think marketing anything to get a possible
> client to take a
> look is a good thing. Heck, I'd proudly bill myself as HOT
> if I thought it'd
> help!
>
> Frosty the Lucky
> -------------------------
> If it ain't forged
> It ain't real
> wrought iron is
> The Frostworks
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:37:51 -0900
> From: "Jerry Frost" <akfrosty at mtaonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
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> Good grief Woolleyman what ARE you thinking? If Karen posts
> pics that'll
> make the Cal Gal the SECOND most beautiful smith in the
> world.
>
> SHEESH Man, how in the world did you EVER meet women?
> Frosty the Lucky
> -------------------------
> If it ain't forged
> It ain't real
> wrought iron is
> The Frostworks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Woolley" <wjec1 at verizon.net>
> To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
>
>
> > Lucky7Steel wrote:
> >> On another note i'm still not over the
> >> "most_beautiful_smith_in_the_world" business even
> though it's been a
> >> few days. Depressing to me that this was how she
> was described.
> >>
> > Well, we haven't seen a picture of you so how would we
> know she is the
> > most beautiful smith in the world.........
> >
> >
> >
> >> If she wasn't
> >> 'attractive" would that make a difference?
> >>
> >>
> > It would to me. Heck with the work, who wants to
> look at an ugly smith?
> > Ha!
> >
> >
> >> ~Karen~
> >> www.lucky7steel.com
> >>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:54:51 -0600
> From: CGRAF <adveniam at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
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> Jerry Frost wrote:
> > Good grief Woolleyman what ARE you thinking? If Karen
> posts pics that'll
> > make the Cal Gal the SECOND most beautiful smith in
> the world.
> >
> > SHEESH Man, how in the world did you EVER meet women?
> > Frosty the Lucky
> > -------------------------
> > If it ain't forged
> > It ain't real
> > wrought iron is
> > The Frostworks
> >
> >
>
> I don't know Frosty, but he IS soliciting pictures on the
> internet....<G>
>
> Mike Graf
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:14:37 -0800
> From: Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer <artgawk at thegrid.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cal Lane
> To: Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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>
>
> Lucky7Steel wrote:
> > Am i wrong in thinking that torch cutting could warp
> the hell out of
> > her work and it must be primarily plasma cutting? i
> often wonder how
> > she has such a steady hand and doesn't cut through the
> odd little
> > line.
> On thicker material and on curved surfaces, the warpage
> would show less.
> I imagine she has to go back and deal with clean up anyway
> so she could
> pop the low spots back up. Moving at the right speed
> lessens the
> distortion a lot.
> You can see from the line that she must have a rock steady
> hand.
> When i do intricate cutting, i set up with elbow and
> forearm rests,
> triangulate my grip with both hands, elbows spread,
> preferably seated,
> and generally cut in arcs pivoting my wrists.
> > On another note i'm still not over the
> > "most_beautiful_smith_in_the_world" business even
> though it's been a
> > few days. Depressing to me that this was how she was
> described.
> Guess the writer fell in love with her..you know those
> english majors.
> > Although i've decided to add physical descriptions of
> all the men's
> > work i think are hot from now on. ;-)
> LOL!! Only fair..er, thats not quite right.
> > Today i had to replace my acetylene regulator from my
> oxy/acet kit
> > (which was over 9 years at least) and as i was leaving
> the shop, the
> > guy felt the need to tell me how to adjust the working
> pressure on my
> > tank! At first i thought he was trying to tell me
> something WAY more
> > complicated because how on earth would he think i
> didn't know that
> > when i just spoke at length about my regulator and had
> been in there
> > tons of times. I've been doing metalwork for 20 years
> and almost every
> > time i go to pick up supplies this happens.
> Grunt...I have a beard and had longish hair, and heard the
> same sort of
> shit in years gone by. Some folks just don't figure it out.
> Asking them
> a technical question they probably can't answer, sometimes
> helps.
> Showing them some of your work sometimes shuts them up.
> So, just to say, adding
> > gendered descriptions to someone just because they are
> female does no
> > one any good in the long run. Cal is very talented. If
> she wasn't
> > 'attractive" would that make a difference?
> Unfortunately, it probably would...even today.
> That's not how it ought to be, we agree.
> >
> > ~Karen~
> > www.lucky7steel.com
> >
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