[TheForge] Slack tank...POL OT

[peter fels & phoebe palmer]

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> 	Desperate, scared people don't think about such things.  They act in
> reflexive resistance to dying.
In response to overly expensive electricity?
>   Such people are far more dangerous than
> you might think, material superiority notwithstanding.
Sure...and that's a serious possibility that the govt has to be kept 
aware of.
That twisted SOB of a long range sniper inadvertently shifted the 
balance of power some i think.
Makes "them" more respectful.
>    Unless less of
> course you just don't give a shit and murder them all because it is more
> convenient.  Given what I see these days in the eyes of the Bush's and
> Obammy's of the world, it would no longer surprise me to see it come to
> pass.
Nah..then they'd run out of taxpayers.
>>> Imagine having a car that ran for 50 years without ever needing
>>> refueling.  That is the promise of LENR, if it can be made practical.
>>> I'd be willing to bet that it can be.  Interference is the real issue,
>>> moving forward.
Looks like the technology is the real barrier to my mind.
>> Can't make a profit on a 50 year car. Even Checker went under.
> 	The availability of ubiquitous free energy would change the status quo.
Sure would!...
Does bring up unfortunate memories of " Clean, safe too cheap to meter"
>    One thing you need to be aware of is that not all corporations are
> evil as your words seem to indicate.  There are many companies out there
> for whom profit is an important, yet secondary purpose to their
> existences.
Of course there are some fine, responsible companies.
. But i can't imagine PG&E, Standard or Exxon or GM letting a product 
like that come to market.
Like any animal, most corporations will fight tooth and nail to survive.
>   I would also warn against viewing profit as evil.
I don't. It's the engine and motivator of our economy.
>   It is nothing of the sort.  That all aside, practically free, nearly clean
> energy will change everything, assuming the mob calling itself
> "government" doesn't squelch its introduction.
>
> 	Tesla was working on this idea.
Think he was working on broadcasting power.  but it was neither clean 
nor cheap. Just handier than wire transmission.
>   When he died his body was literally
> not yet cold when FBI raided his place and took all his notes.
He may have been obnoxious but he was brilliant and should have been 
supported all down the line,
instead of screwed over like he was. Capitalism in action?
> Some at the top of that particular food chain are not in the mood to
> share.  They may not, however, be able to keep that genie bottled up.
> Thank god, people are creative and have a strong penchant for tossing a
> hearty "fuck yourself" at those who would hold them back.  It is that
> penchant that leaves me with what small hope I still hang on to for the
> human race.
Grin...nod head.
>> The auto and power and oil industries would fold...and they wouldn't
>> allow that.
> They would not fold.  Auto industry could still build cars as they now
> do.  The 10-20 year service life of the cars would end with the reactors
> recycled.
They can easily build cars with a 25 year service life ., but they used 
to be designed to last 3 to 5 years, by in large.
Though some of the Japanese cars have gone 350,000 miles without major 
problems.
>   Converge the automobile power applications such that the
> reactors become commodity items and get used over and over.  The cars
> remain as they are, just not burning oil.
A satisfactory battery could do the same.
> Gasoline and diesel represent , as I recall, a mere 9% of the industry's
> output... or maybe 7%.  We will not be weaned off of oil for at least
> another 25 to 50 years, barring the arrival of space aliens who will
> either save us from ourselve of eat us as hor's d'oeuvre.
The conversion to Natural gas isn't a very big leap and ought to stave 
off major change for a while.
> The power industry as it exists might well go down.  Boo hooty hoo.  The
> pressures to allow such devices would be enormous.  Refusal to allow it
> could get a lot of people hurt.
The probable  adversarys are much more subtle and powerful than you are 
allowing for..
>>>> Hardly advocating giving up the sparks, but think we need to be
>>>> considering the whole cost of burning coal.
>>> Right now we have no other choices.  Take heat away from people in
>>> winter on a large scale and see where that gets us.
>> Natural gas heats our asses just fine.
>>    Wish i had it here. local propane monopoly sticks it to us.
>>
>> We have wells, so we have unlimited free gas, which is a great blessing
>> especially since we are broke.  But tomorrow I will hear from
>> Boots&Coots whether they will hire me and if so, we won't be broke no
>> mo'.  Still, I have to build a large gas forge now so I can take
>> advantage of the 35PSI line. :)
   May B&C grovel at your feet , stuffing $ in your pockets,  and the 
new forge come soon, sweet and hot.
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