[TheForge] Cap and trade

[Bob Ehrenberger]

There used to be several small coal mines in this area but they have all 
been shut down in the last 30 years.  When they dug my pond 10 years ago I 
was hoping they would hit a vein of coal, but no such luck.  They went down 
28 feet and nothing but clay.  I had a friend that used to find chunks of 
coal in his creek bed so he probably had coal somewhere on his property, 
which he no longer owns.

Robert Ehrenberger
Shelbyville, Mo.
eforge at centurytel.net
573-633-2010

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer" <artgawk at thegrid.net>
To: "Bob Ehrenberger" <eforge at centurytel.net>; "Blacksmithing List Sponsored 
by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cap and trade


Just like there were folks who didn't give up blacksmithing when it
became obsolete, There will probably still be some small die-hard coal
miners scratching for specialty niche markets like us....maybe.

Bob Ehrenberger wrote:
> Justin,
>
> The problem isn't just whether they regulate blacksmiths.  If they shut 
> down
> the coal industry we will see the affects indirectly through supply and
> price changes.
>
> It's kind of like steel.  They don't make steel for the guy that gets a 
> few
> hundred pounds every month or two.  They make it for the factories that 
> buy
> it ten tons at a time.  Once the factories in an area shut down the steel
> supply dries up.
>
> Once they convince the factories and power plants to convert to "clean"
> fuel, what happens to the coal supply?  Thats assuming they will even sell
> to small operators like us.
>
> Robert Ehrenberger
> Shelbyville, Mo.
> eforge at centurytel.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Justin Fisher" <justinf at pixelations.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Cap and trade
>
>
> Bob Ehrenberger wrote:
>> I was wondering if any of you have any information on how cap and trade
>> will
>> affect blacksmiths?  It sounds to me that the goal of the bill is to 
>> force
>> industry to quit using coal by taxing it to death.  The Missouri power
>> companys (REC) seems to have worked out a deal, I think that is the trade
>> part where if you own and maintain forests it offsets the carbon credits
>> needed to burn coal at the power plants.
>>
> I doubt your forge will put out 10,000 tons of CO2 a year!  (That looks
> to be the quantity that triggers regulation).
> And it also looks like it applies to power-generation utilities, which a
> blacksmith's forge is not.
>
> So I think we're safe!
>
> --Justin Fisher
> Finally read the bill (whew!)
>
>
>
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