[TheForge] OT frozen pipes

Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer artgawk at thegrid.net
Sat Jan 3 17:17:28 EST 2009 

Aren't green pees normal?

GRAF wrote:
> At the rate you pick up copper from drinking water, you easily excrete it.
> Start worrying when you pee green.<G>
> 
> Mike Graf
> 
> 
> Peter Hirst wrote:
>> Sure does.  Notice any blue or green stains in sinks, toilets or where 
>> pinhole leaks have started?    Course, those copper oxides won't kill 
>> you. Immediately
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer" 
>> <artgawk at thegrid.net>
>> To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT frozen pipes
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>>
>>> Peter;
>>> Does that mean we are drinking those copper oxides?..peter f
>>>
>>> Peter Hirst wrote:
>>>> What's eating your copper is acidic water:  can be treated with a 
>>>> filter tank.  A little pricey, but sometjhimes you can pick them up 
>>>> cheap to free from people switching over to municipal water from a 
>>>> well.  except for slight acid (my copper is just beginning to 
>>>> develop pinholes after 35 years) my well water is the best, and i 
>>>> wouldn't trade it for anything. So I picked up a filter and will 
>>>> replace the copper piece by piece with good solid used stuff as I 
>>>> acquire it.  It will last a lifetime with the filter, and since I 
>>>> have so much exposed plumbing in the house, it is well worth it to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Smucker" 
>>>> <davesmucker at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "Blacksmithing List Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:19 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT frozen pipes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Andy,
>>>>>
>>>>> How does copper work in your area?  I was always a fan of copper 
>>>>> until we moved here to Brasstown, NC.  With most of the well water 
>>>>> in this area, it eats copper -- so any of the plastics are better.  
>>>>> Dad had the same problem when they moved to Boulder, CO.  Just 
>>>>> check around before you go to copper. The well drillers here are 
>>>>> the ones that told me to stay away from copper --  most of the 
>>>>> hardware stores here don't even carry it any more.  (and I had lots 
>>>>> of copper fittings on hand when I built this house.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Andrew Vida" <osan at netlabs.net>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:21 AM
>>>>> To: "Bob Ehrenberger" <eforge at centurytel.net>; "Blacksmithing List 
>>>>> Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] OT frozen pipes
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sharkbite fittings are, as you say, pricey, but they really do 
>>>>>> work. My plan for this house is to replace all the lousy PVC lines 
>>>>>> with copper and sharkbite fittings.  Those fittings will also work 
>>>>>> with PVC and any other rigid or semi-rigid tubing.  Very 
>>>>>> ingeniously contrived, BTW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Ehrenberger wrote:
>>>>>>> The Monday before Christmas we had the temps drop below zero with 
>>>>>>> high winds out of the West.  As a result, the pipes that run to 
>>>>>>> our laundry froze and burst.  That section of the house is just a 
>>>>>>> crawl space, so instead of opening up the hatch to gain access 
>>>>>>> which would have really flooded the space with cold air, I 
>>>>>>> decided to disconnect and cap that section at the source.  I got 
>>>>>>> the Hot line capped ok, but the shut off valve did not stop the 
>>>>>>> flow completly and let a steady drip through to the cold line. 
>>>>>>> Because of the dampness, I couldn't get the joint to take solder, 
>>>>>>> so I decided to use a compression fitting.  At the local farm 
>>>>>>> store they didn't have any compression fittings, but they had 
>>>>>>> something called SharkBite. It was a bit pricey but what option 
>>>>>>> did I have?  So I got it.  To my amazment, it worked as 
>>>>>>> advertised, just clean the end and slide the fitting on and you 
>>>>>>> are done. So if you have to make an emergency repair, the 
>>>>>>> SharkBite connectors are a good choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert Ehrenberger
>>>>>>> Shelbyville, Mo.
>>>>>>> eforge at centurytel.net
>>>>>>>
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