[TheForge] The future is now OT:

Sun Dec 6 05:40:59 EST 2009

	The Broadband Over Powerline (BPL) proposal was overly optimistic
and the engineers along with the FCC painted a much rosier picture than
could be experienced in actual practice. The interference that it caused to
existing RF services was under estimated as was the interference to it by
those existing RF services such as amateur radio. Another hurdle was that
for the system to work reliably the power line system had to be really clean
and not generate any noise itself - bad insulators, splices and other
connecting points had to be in very good condition. Most power distribution
systems are not maintained to a level that afforded good data transmission.
The small test area in Bowling Green drove the power company nuts trying to
repair their equipment to the levels necessary. The FCC tried to cook the
specs in the favor of good BPL and lost in a court battle that challenged
their engineering data and it pretty much died after that. I suspect some
folks are still trying to re-engineer it. 

Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

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George Washington

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[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Fels & Phoebe
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We are in a similar situation..every time the road slides it tries to take
the phone line with it, closer to the ocean. There are dozens of extra
splices..add in the salt loading.. plus a pairgain system..and it's slooooow
dialup.
Wonder what ever happened to the broadband-over-the-powerline proposal?

Dave Mudge wrote:
> They are expensive and as long as you pay them their $60 / month, 
> everything is great.
> Almost never loose the signal even in hard rain. Living in a rural 
> area here in southeast Louisiana there is no dsl, no cable, no wifi, 
> no nothing. It's either dial-up, Hughes Net, or Sky Blue (we have that 
> at the machine shop where I work, slow, slow, slow. but still faster 
> than dial-up) .
> dave
> 
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer 
> <artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>> That's fast! How are you finding them to deal with, and is there a 
>> "fair use" policy?
>>
>> Dave Mudge wrote:
>>> Hughes Net download speeds range from 700 to 5000 kb/s depending on 
>>> the plan you choose.
>>> dave m
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer 
>>> <artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>>>> I have 1/2 that and it helps a lot..by that i mean ,1 way satellite 
>>>> internet service where the upload is via telephone line and the 
>>>> download comes from the satellite. Download currently runs about 
>>>> 230K/second, it's pretty cheap ($40) and the guy that runs it is 
>>>> really helpful and responsive. Did my own installation and there is 
>>>> NO contract...pete
>>>>
>>>> Dave Mudge wrote:
>>>>> Ah yes, I remember it well.
>>>>> I remember cursing the people that sent large picture files and such.
>>>>> Then I got Huges Net Satellite Internet and it changed everything.
>>>>> I'm just making up numbers here but the satellite has to be 1,000 
>>>>> times faster than the rural dial-up.
>>>>> dave mudge
>>>>> list mom for TheForge
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer 
>>>>> <artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>>>>>> It's our 2K/second upload speed down old, patched wire telephone
lines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc3rd wrote:
>>>>>>> What's a dial up???????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Lynn and Susan Lang" <langfarm at together.net>
>>>>>>> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [TheForge] The future is now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Novak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I would like to petition for switching this list serve mail 
>>>>>>>>>> list system to a system that actually supports photos. We are 
>>>>>>>>>> a visually- orient group typically discussing physical 
>>>>>>>>>> objects. It would be so much nicer to be able to have an 
>>>>>>>>>> image accompany the words rather than posting on a separate site.
>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>> For those of us on Dial-up with a good connection of 28.8K , 
>>>>>>>> about 5 minutes/ meg,  the viewing of pictures should be an
option..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I usually copy the URL of interesting picture offerings to my 
>>>>>>>> laptop and when I go to town stop by my local library and check out
the pictures.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lynn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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