[TheForge] The future is now OT:

Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer artgawk at thegrid.net
Sun Dec 6 13:42:01 EST 2009 

Thanks Bob: You've answered that!
Awwww. When i drive down the coast next to our local powerline, i can 
hear it on the radio, loud and unclear and doubted BPL , imagining the 
elaborate processing it'd take to clean it up..

The G Washington quote is the classic oxymoron.  pf

Bob Willman wrote:
> 	The Broadband Over Powerline (BPL) proposal was overly optimistic
> and the engineers along with the FCC painted a much rosier picture than
> could be experienced in actual practice. The interference that it caused to
> existing RF services was under estimated as was the interference to it by
> those existing RF services such as amateur radio. Another hurdle was that
> for the system to work reliably the power line system had to be really clean
> and not generate any noise itself - bad insulators, splices and other
> connecting points had to be in very good condition. Most power distribution
> systems are not maintained to a level that afforded good data transmission.
> The small test area in Bowling Green drove the power company nuts trying to
> repair their equipment to the levels necessary. The FCC tried to cook the
> specs in the favor of good BPL and lost in a court battle that challenged
> their engineering data and it pretty much died after that. I suspect some
> folks are still trying to re-engineer it. 
> 
> 
> Bob Willman
> Bowling Green, Ohio
> The Eagle's Anvil
> WB8NQW
> 
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> 
> George Washington
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Fels & Phoebe
> Palmer
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 1:17 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] The future is now OT:
> 
> We are in a similar situation..every time the road slides it tries to take
> the phone line with it, closer to the ocean. There are dozens of extra
> splices..add in the salt loading.. plus a pairgain system..and it's slooooow
> dialup.
> Wonder what ever happened to the broadband-over-the-powerline proposal?
> 
> 
> Dave Mudge wrote:
>> They are expensive and as long as you pay them their $60 / month, 
>> everything is great.
>> Almost never loose the signal even in hard rain. Living in a rural 
>> area here in southeast Louisiana there is no dsl, no cable, no wifi, 
>> no nothing. It's either dial-up, Hughes Net, or Sky Blue (we have that 
>> at the machine shop where I work, slow, slow, slow. but still faster 
>> than dial-up) .
>> dave
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer 
>> <artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>>> That's fast! How are you finding them to deal with, and is there a 
>>> "fair use" policy?
>>>
>>> Dave Mudge wrote:
>>>> Hughes Net download speeds range from 700 to 5000 kb/s depending on 
>>>> the plan you choose.
>>>> dave m
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer 
>>>> <artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>>>>> I have 1/2 that and it helps a lot..by that i mean ,1 way satellite 
>>>>> internet service where the upload is via telephone line and the 
>>>>> download comes from the satellite. Download currently runs about 
>>>>> 230K/second, it's pretty cheap ($40) and the guy that runs it is 
>>>>> really helpful and responsive. Did my own installation and there is 
>>>>> NO contract...pete
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Mudge wrote:
>>>>>> Ah yes, I remember it well.
>>>>>> I remember cursing the people that sent large picture files and such.
>>>>>> Then I got Huges Net Satellite Internet and it changed everything.
>>>>>> I'm just making up numbers here but the satellite has to be 1,000 
>>>>>> times faster than the rural dial-up.
>>>>>> dave mudge
>>>>>> list mom for TheForge
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Peter Fels & Phoebe Palmer 
>>>>>> <artgawk at thegrid.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> It's our 2K/second upload speed down old, patched wire telephone
> lines.
>>>>>>> Marc3rd wrote:
>>>>>>>> What's a dial up???????
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Lynn and Susan Lang" <langfarm at together.net>
>>>>>>>> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:56 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [TheForge] The future is now
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark Novak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to petition for switching this list serve mail 
>>>>>>>>>>> list system to a system that actually supports photos. We are 
>>>>>>>>>>> a visually- orient group typically discussing physical 
>>>>>>>>>>> objects. It would be so much nicer to be able to have an 
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>>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>> For those of us on Dial-up with a good connection of 28.8K , 
>>>>>>>>> about 5 minutes/ meg,  the viewing of pictures should be an
> option..
>>>>>>>>> I usually copy the URL of interesting picture offerings to my 
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> the pictures.
>>>>>>>>> lynn
>>>>>>>>>
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