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[Andrew Vida]

Jim Beard wrote:
> They were arguing about retro-active immunity for any crimes that the
> Telcos might have committed while helping the Bush administration
> wiretap domestic citizens inside the US without warrants. 

	Constitution?  What Constitution?

 > The Telcos
> are afraid their customers are going to sue them for infringing their
> rights, and they and the Bush administration want them to be immune
> from lawsuits. 

	What we need here is for immunity to pass into oblivion, for ball 
busting suits to be filed, won by plaintiffs and at least 1 of the major 
telcos to go belly up.  I would absolutely love to see at&t go out of 
business, but I'd take any of them.  Bunch of dishonest scumbags.

 > They briefly discussed a 'compromise' where if the
> Telco got sued, the US Government would stand in their place in court.
>  Not really a compromise if you ask me.

	Not at all.  IF plaintiff wins, the $$ comes out of our pockets... it 
about the same as those Army ads that say "paid for by the US Army".  My 
ass.
> 
> Anyway, listening to Orin Hatch was kind of disgusting.  He just kept
> droning on about how corporations need to be able to do what the
> government asks them to do with out being afraid that they will get
> prosecuted for it, regardless of the legality I guess.  Orin Hatch
> never mentioned the private citizens, he just kept saying
> 'corporation, corporation, corporation, corporation" ad nauseam.

	Orin needs to be discovered buggering his neighbor's cat.

	Oh wait... that would elevate him.  Dang.
> 
> Chris Dodd forced a long debate about the bill, and it was eventually
> pulled, and will be re-issued in January, when there is more time to
> debate it.
	
	And any media attention it was receiving long lapsed.

	I say vote for Ron Paul.  It can't be any worse than Bush.


	-Andy