[TheForge] Induction Forge?

Tue Aug 22 14:37:11 EDT 2006

One of the more interesting aspects of tooling discussions is the light they
shine on the importance of correct philosophy. In other words, what works
and what wrecks; this is philosophy's bottom line after all. I believe that
customer loyalty actually constitutes a problem for manufacturers, as it
only provides a temptation these days--not a reason to behave responsibly.
We understand that reckless abandon in trying to save money leads to poor
tool choices, but how many of us stop to consider that brand loyalty is now
every bit as inappropriate?
Mikey

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Subject: Re: [TheForge] Induction Forge?

Yes, this sort of thing only helps the bottom line in the short term.

Steve

Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:

>  Steve;
> I've got to think that Lincoln isn't the company it used to be and 
> corporate short term thinking has screwed it too.
> Kinda hard on a customer's loyalty...Pete F
> 
> Steve Smith wrote:
> 
>> Pete, I don't understand how Lincoln can get away with that. Bad 
>> craziness on their part.
>>
>> Chips are pretty cheap to stockpile (for a manufacturer, I mean). 
>> Running out/unavailable isn't a valid excuse, it is poor planning.
>>
>> My two cents.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Reis is right of course..i was just pipe dreaming again.
>>> In fact, i have a sort of horror of buying any welding machine with 
>>> modern electronics in it. Little teeny, fragile chips and big surging 
>>> and sputtering electro-magnetic fields...what a combination!
>>> How are we gonna get replacement chips for them when they are 20 
>>> years old?
>>> The main PC card for my Lincoln Idealarc 250/250 is no longer 
>>> available. It's my newest welding machine.The chips for many vehicles 
>>> are no longer available. Look under the hood of so many machines and 
>>> all there is to be seen is electronics and plastic.
>>> Looks like the prelude to a disaster.
>>> Another one.
>>> Course when it happens, we'll be well positioned.
>>> Only a few chips in my anvil.....Pete F
>>>
>>> Jerry Frost wrote:
>>>
>>>> Egglayingwoolmilkpig? I don't even want a picture! <grin> Great term.
>>>>
>>>> We're on the same page regarding doitall machines. Something that 
>>>> does everything does nothing well.
>>>>
>>>> While I don't know much about electricity I do understand there are 
>>>> different types in ways I don't grasp. What I do know is I already 
>>>> have a Lincoln Ranger 9, multi process welder that will indeed do 
>>>> most welding processes but requires modules or additional pieces to 
>>>> do some.
>>>>
>>>> I was just thinking an electricity massaging unit might be an 
>>>> alternative.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Frosty
>>>> -------------------------------
>>>> If it ain't forged
>>>> it ain't real.
>>>> Wrought iron is.
>>>> The FrostWorks
>>>>
>>>> Meadow Lakes, AK.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.artmetalradio.com/
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ries Niemi" <rniemi at fidalgo.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am not a big fan of "all in one" designs for anything- the combo 
>>>>> brake/shear/rolls are garbage, the lathe/milling machines are crap, 
>>>>> the shopsmith is an amusing idea that does nothing well-
>>>>> But the closest I come is my inverter welder- it will run a mig 
>>>>> wire feeder head, tig weld, or stick weld, all better than the 
>>>>> older, standalone machines I also have.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, and its a big but- even though it all looks alike- there are 
>>>>> different types of electricity- and what you need for welding- my 
>>>>> tig inverter is usually putting out 170 amps at 25 volts or so- is 
>>>>> drastically different than what you would need for a induction 
>>>>> forge. Cant remember Grants explanation of the output, but its 
>>>>> night and day from what a tig welder puts out.
>>>>> It would be kinda like saying my lawnmower and my Cat D9 are both 
>>>>> powered by internal combustion engines, so why not combine the 
>>>>> functions of the two?
>>>>> Yes, it could probably be done- and it would do each job worse, 
>>>>> cost more, and have inherent design flaws that are just about 
>>>>> insurmountable.
>>>>>
>>>>> The germans have a word for this- they would call it an 
>>>>> "egglayingwoolmilkpig"-  something that tries to do everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am all for buying an inverter power supply- but so far, the only 
>>>>> ones that both weld and plasma cut are funky no name chinese 
>>>>> imports- and they dont have either Grant Sarver, or Kaynes standing 
>>>>> behind them.
>>>>> I will buy a no name chinese induction forge from Grant, but not 
>>>>> from some guy on ebay who cant tell an oscilloscope from a 
>>>>> stethescope.
>>>>>
>>>>> My welders are either red or blue. They work, parts are available, 
>>>>> most are made in the USA- (all millers, most lincolns).
>>>>>
>>>>> Experiments are fine for hor d'ourves- not for welders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ries
>>>>>
>>>>>
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