[TheForge] Induction Forge?

[Steve Smith]

Yes, this sort of thing only helps the bottom line in the short term.

Steve

Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:

>  Steve;
> I've got to think that Lincoln isn't the company it used to be and 
> corporate short term thinking has screwed it too.
> Kinda hard on a customer's loyalty...Pete F
> 
> Steve Smith wrote:
> 
>> Pete, I don't understand how Lincoln can get away with that. Bad 
>> craziness on their part.
>>
>> Chips are pretty cheap to stockpile (for a manufacturer, I mean). 
>> Running out/unavailable isn't a valid excuse, it is poor planning.
>>
>> My two cents.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Reis is right of course..i was just pipe dreaming again.
>>> In fact, i have a sort of horror of buying any welding machine with 
>>> modern electronics in it. Little teeny, fragile chips and big surging 
>>> and sputtering electro-magnetic fields...what a combination!
>>> How are we gonna get replacement chips for them when they are 20 
>>> years old?
>>> The main PC card for my Lincoln Idealarc 250/250 is no longer 
>>> available. It's my newest welding machine.The chips for many vehicles 
>>> are no longer available. Look under the hood of so many machines and 
>>> all there is to be seen is electronics and plastic.
>>> Looks like the prelude to a disaster.
>>> Another one.
>>> Course when it happens, we'll be well positioned.
>>> Only a few chips in my anvil.....Pete F
>>>
>>> Jerry Frost wrote:
>>>
>>>> Egglayingwoolmilkpig? I don't even want a picture! <grin> Great term.
>>>>
>>>> We're on the same page regarding doitall machines. Something that 
>>>> does everything does nothing well.
>>>>
>>>> While I don't know much about electricity I do understand there are 
>>>> different types in ways I don't grasp. What I do know is I already 
>>>> have a Lincoln Ranger 9, multi process welder that will indeed do 
>>>> most welding processes but requires modules or additional pieces to 
>>>> do some.
>>>>
>>>> I was just thinking an electricity massaging unit might be an 
>>>> alternative.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Frosty
>>>> -------------------------------
>>>> If it ain't forged
>>>> it ain't real.
>>>> Wrought iron is.
>>>> The FrostWorks
>>>>
>>>> Meadow Lakes, AK.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.artmetalradio.com/
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ries Niemi" <rniemi at fidalgo.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I am not a big fan of "all in one" designs for anything- the combo 
>>>>> brake/shear/rolls are garbage, the lathe/milling machines are crap, 
>>>>> the shopsmith is an amusing idea that does nothing well-
>>>>> But the closest I come is my inverter welder- it will run a mig 
>>>>> wire feeder head, tig weld, or stick weld, all better than the 
>>>>> older, standalone machines I also have.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, and its a big but- even though it all looks alike- there are 
>>>>> different types of electricity- and what you need for welding- my 
>>>>> tig inverter is usually putting out 170 amps at 25 volts or so- is 
>>>>> drastically different than what you would need for a induction 
>>>>> forge. Cant remember Grants explanation of the output, but its 
>>>>> night and day from what a tig welder puts out.
>>>>> It would be kinda like saying my lawnmower and my Cat D9 are both 
>>>>> powered by internal combustion engines, so why not combine the 
>>>>> functions of the two?
>>>>> Yes, it could probably be done- and it would do each job worse, 
>>>>> cost more, and have inherent design flaws that are just about 
>>>>> insurmountable.
>>>>>
>>>>> The germans have a word for this- they would call it an 
>>>>> "egglayingwoolmilkpig"-  something that tries to do everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am all for buying an inverter power supply- but so far, the only 
>>>>> ones that both weld and plasma cut are funky no name chinese 
>>>>> imports- and they dont have either Grant Sarver, or Kaynes standing 
>>>>> behind them.
>>>>> I will buy a no name chinese induction forge from Grant, but not 
>>>>> from some guy on ebay who cant tell an oscilloscope from a 
>>>>> stethescope.
>>>>>
>>>>> My welders are either red or blue. They work, parts are available, 
>>>>> most are made in the USA- (all millers, most lincolns).
>>>>>
>>>>> Experiments are fine for hor d'ourves- not for welders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ries
>>>>>
>>>>>
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