[TheForge] Hammer in NY

[Larry and Pat Brown]

No, I have the carcass of a LG that needs a lot of work, a guy here on 
Staten Island contacted me looking for one. He is looking in the $1500 
range. If I had know you were selling the champion I might have been 
interested. The Beaudry is much more than I can set up.
Might see you this weekend things are looking up
Larry

At 09:37 AM 9/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Larry,
>
>I just sold my Champion #0 (35#) hammer, replaced it with a 70# Kuhn.
>
>I have a Beaudry #11 that I might consider selling. It is rated at 300#. 
>It is not as large a machine as a Little Giant of that size. I am the 
>third owner and have not set it up yet. Is the hammer for you?
>
>Jonathan
>
>
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>>   1. Re: forging copper? (Roy Wilson)
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>>   4. RE: forging copper? (Roger R Degner)
>>   5. Re: bridge crane (Rick Korinek)
>>   6. Re: RE: [TheForge] forging copper? (Roy Wilson)
>>   7. Re: Bridge Crane etc. (Larry Brown)
>>   8. RE: little giants (Larry and Pat Brown)
>>   9. untapped resource? (Daniel Kretchmar)
>>  10. Re: forging copper? (James Binnion)
>>  11. Re: forging copper? (Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer)
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:40:59 -0400
>>From: "Roy Wilson" <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>
>>Subject: Re: [TheForge] forging copper?
>>To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>Message-ID: <200509272341.j8RNf2Fe012328 at ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
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>>======= On 2005-09-27, at 18:22:52 schade wrote: =======
>>
>>>Is copper electric buss bar okay to forge?
>>
>>They've got beryllium in the alloy.  I wouldn't breathe the smoke, but I 
>>don't know exactly how toxic it is.
>>
>>
>>"Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>>
>>Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
>>2005-09-27
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>>Message: 2
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:58:44 -0500
>>From: "Rob Fertner" <rfertner at cox.net>
>>Subject: RE: [TheForge] forging copper?
>>To: <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>, "'Sponsored by ABANA'"
>><theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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>>Beryllium is highly toxic. I've been told not to forge anything with
>>beryllium or grind it. It's not worth the risk.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Roy Wilson
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:41 PM
>>To: Sponsored by ABANA
>>Subject: Re: [TheForge] forging copper?
>>
>>
>>======= On 2005-09-27, at 18:22:52 schade wrote: =======
>>
>>>Is copper electric buss bar okay to forge?
>>
>>They've got beryllium in the alloy.  I wouldn't breathe the smoke,
>>but I don't know exactly how toxic it is.
>>
>>
>>"Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>>
>>Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
>>2005-09-27
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>>Message: 3
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:15:19 -0500
>>From: "Roger R Degner" <rog781 at means.net>
>>Subject: RE: [TheForge] little giants
>>To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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>>Anybody call to see how much they wanted
>>I spent too much money today on a 3B Nazel and have enough Little
>>giants.
>>2 Saturdays ago I sent in an absentee bid for $550 on possibly a 50 LG
>>site unseen.  It sold for $650 in central MN.
>>In PA there is a 100# little giant for sale from the same person who
>>sold me the Nazel.  Don't know the asking price.
>>Mike Blue in MN has a 100# LG also probably for sale.
>>
>>Roger R Degner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>There was an ad in the Minneapolis paper yesterday for two LG hammers
>>for sale. One 25lb and one 50lb.
>>
>>Phone number is 701 284 6388. North Dakota area code.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
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>>Message: 4
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:19:21 -0500
>>From: "Roger R Degner" <rog781 at means.net>
>>Subject: RE: [TheForge] forging copper?
>>To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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>>That is what one of the UMBA members used to make his copper hat pins
>>from.
>>He makes a one sided die cuts the slug heats it and gives it a whack
>>with the treadle hammer
>>
>>Roger R Degner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Is copper electric buss bar okay to forge?
>>
>>Bob
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Message: 5
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:05:28 -0500
>>From: "Rick Korinek" <rickkorinek at verizon.net>
>>Subject: Re: [TheForge] bridge crane
>>To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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>>Bridge cranes can be purchased used.  Another option is to set up a jib
>>crane off of a collumn set into a concrete footing.  These are also
>>available new and used.
>>
>>Rick Korinek
>>Island City Forge
>>Minocqua, WI
>>islandcityforge.com
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Switzer" <switz at mindspring.com>
>>To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:19 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TheForge] bridge crane
>>
>>
>>>I have considered a couple of gantry cranes on wheels.  They would be
>>>easier and much cheaper to build.  But they probably wouldn't be an even
>>>substitute.  So if I ave the choice I'll go with the bridge crane.  Of
>>>course there may be times I'll wish I had both.  Of course I have seen a
>>>gantry crane tip over with a 50# little giant hanging under it, scared us
>>>half to death but didn't hurt the hammer.
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>>A good friend of mine who runs a large shop has a couple of gantry
>>>>cranes in the corners. Easy to build, much less complicated than a
>>>>rolling bridge, and they work really well. Not quite the reach, though,
>>>>of course. Just a tought.
>>>>
>>>>JRF
>>>>
>>>>--- John Switzer <switz at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > I have the opportunity to build a new shop.  On the top of my wish
>>>> > list is
>>>> > a bridge crane.  Has anyone on the list ever built a bridge crane? is
>>>> > it a
>>>> > do it yourself project or should I just plan to hire it done?  The
>>>> > building
>>>> > will probably be 30 x 40 in the main shop area and it seems like a
>>>> > 4000 lb
>>>> > crane should be enough (2000 lb may be OK).  Any and all advise is
>>>> > welcome.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > John Switzer
>>>> > Black Bear Forge
>>>> > 7019 Burnt Mill rd
>>>> > Beulah, CO 81023
>>>> > (719) 485-3109
>>>> > http://www.blackbearforge.com
>>>> >
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>>>(719) 485-3109
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>>Message: 6
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:20:09 -0500
>>From: "Roy Wilson" <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>
>>Subject: Re: RE: [TheForge] forging copper?
>>To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>Message-ID: <200509280120.j8S1KCDK018585 at ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>>
>>======= On 2005-09-27, at 19:19:21 Roger R Degner wrote: =======
>>
>>>That is what one of the UMBA members used to make his copper hat pins
>>>from.
>>>He makes a one sided die cuts the slug heats it and gives it a whack
>>>with the treadle hammer
>>
>>If you're not heating it enough to get it smoking, I can't see the 
>>beryllium being much of a problem.
>>
>>
>>"Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>>
>>Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
>>2005-09-27
>>
>>
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>>Message: 7
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:26:30 -0400
>>From: Larry Brown <lp.brown at verizon.net>
>>Subject: Re: [TheForge] Bridge Crane etc.
>>To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050927212335.0174d6c8 at incoming.verizon.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
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>>I like fork lifts if you have hard floors, in dirt they leave a little to
>>be desired. (except for the big tired ones designed for outside but kinda
>>big for a shop). You can always build a jib boom onto the fork lift to
>>swing things around
>>Larry Brown
>>
>>
>>At 07:27 PM 9/27/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>>>I would like a bridge crane for the coverage it offers, as it gets to
>>>every corner of the shop. Problem is finding a used one when you need one.
>>>How many times have we all heard "oh you should have been here a week
>>>ago......"
>>>
>>>If you build 2 or 3 jib cranes you can stagger them to cover most of the
>>>shop floor. They are cheaper and easier to build, but not as convenient.
>>>
>>>A friend of mine keeps telling me to go with a fork lift with an extended
>>>lift. These can be very useful, if you have the room for one in the shop.
>>>One great thing about the fork lift is that it can move loads in and out
>>>of the shop.
>>>
>>>Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
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>>Message: 8
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:28:11 -0400
>>From: Larry and Pat Brown <lp.brown at verizon.net>
>>Subject: RE: [TheForge] little giants
>>To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050927212714.01716338 at incoming.verizon.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
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>>Anyone know of a power hammer for sale in the NYC and surrounding areas?
>>Larry Brown
>>
>>At 07:15 PM 9/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>>Anybody call to see how much they wanted
>>>I spent too much money today on a 3B Nazel and have enough Little
>>>giants.
>>>2 Saturdays ago I sent in an absentee bid for $550 on possibly a 50 LG
>>>site unseen.  It sold for $650 in central MN.
>>>In PA there is a 100# little giant for sale from the same person who
>>>sold me the Nazel.  Don't know the asking price.
>>>Mike Blue in MN has a 100# LG also probably for sale.
>>>
>>>Roger R Degner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>There was an ad in the Minneapolis paper yesterday for two LG hammers
>>>for sale. One 25lb and one 50lb.
>>>
>>>Phone number is 701 284 6388. North Dakota area code.
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
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>>Message: 9
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:21:21 -0500
>>From: "Daniel Kretchmar" <dan at irontreeworks.com>
>>Subject: [TheForge] untapped resource?
>>To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>Message-ID: <000d01c5c3db$b44e1f40$11ac62d1 at irontree>
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>>Hey all,
>>      The other day, while I was driving home from work, it suddenly occured
>>to me that lawn mower blades are good steel...obvious I know....but I
>>stopped at a lawn mower store and asked if I could have the old blades that
>>they took off when they replaced them...They showed me a bin that had about
>>500 blades and said, "Take as many as you want!!"....long blades.....blades
>>made of something high carbon and only slightly thick for knives...(3/16)
>>
>>I did a grinding spark test and also heated and quenched and then shattered
>>one so I know its at least 1080. I flattened and annealed one and just
>>finished grinding out a Usuba ocho (japanese vegatable cleaver).  It seems
>>like the metal is great!  The two stores I called said that I could have as
>>many as I wanted as often as I wanted........
>>
>>
>>Sooooo.....Why have I never heard people talk about this resource before?
>>Have I just not noticed?  Is the metal toxic and contains something that
>>will kill anyone uses it? :)
>>
>>Dan
>>www.irontreeworks.com
>>
>>
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>>Message: 10
>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:45:36 -0700
>>From: James Binnion <jbin at well.com>
>>Subject: Re: [TheForge] forging copper?
>>To: rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com, Sponsored by ABANA
>><theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>Message-ID: <1A3B29DA-FFA5-4CC5-94F3-C38E94AE6A61 at well.com>
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>>The vast majority of electrical buss bars are not beryllium copper.
>>That alloy (C17400) is rarely used as it would only be needed in high
>>strength buss bars. Most buss bars are oxygen free alloys that are
>>pure copper or contain a tiny amount of silver along with the copper.
>>Berylium copper has a slightly lighter color than pure copper.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>On Sep 27, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Roy Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>======= On 2005-09-27, at 19:19:21 Roger R Degner wrote: =======
>>>
>>>
>>>>That is what one of the UMBA members used to make his copper hat pins
>>>>from.
>>>>He makes a one sided die cuts the slug heats it and gives it a whack
>>>>with the treadle hammer
>>>
>>>     If you're not heating it enough to get it smoking, I can't see
>>>the beryllium being much of a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>>>
>>>Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
>>>2005-09-27
>>>
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>>
>>James Binnion
>>jbin at well.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>Message: 11
>>Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:35:41 -0700
>>From: Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer <artgawk at thegrid.net>
>>Subject: Re: [TheForge] forging copper?
>>To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>>Message-ID: <433A47CD.6030408 at thegrid.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>>I'd just gotten done making vise jaw covers and then forging the
>>scraps of some copper buss bar material yesterday and was
>>mentally recounting any possible dust and oxide exposure..a bit
>>worried....Thanks Jim, I feel relieved, mostly.
>>Mostly because they didn't anneal as soft as i thought they
>>would. Wondering if i should just scrap them....Was assuming they
>>were buss bars from the conformation, not sure.
>>CBA Oktoberfest this weekend...my favorite...making stuff to
>>bring the last few days...Pete F
>>
>>James Binnion wrote:
>>>The vast majority of electrical buss bars are not beryllium copper.
>>>That alloy (C17400) is rarely used as it would only be needed in high
>>>strength buss bars. Most buss bars are oxygen free alloys that are  pure
>>>copper or contain a tiny amount of silver along with the copper.
>>>Berylium copper has a slightly lighter color than pure copper.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>On Sep 27, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Roy Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>======= On 2005-09-27, at 19:19:21 Roger R Degner wrote: =======
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That is what one of the UMBA members used to make his copper hat pins
>>>>>from.
>>>>>He makes a one sided die cuts the slug heats it and gives it a whack
>>>>>with the treadle hammer
>>>>
>>>>     If you're not heating it enough to get it smoking, I can't see
>>>>the beryllium being much of a problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>>>>
>>>>Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
>>>>2005-09-27
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>James Binnion
>>>jbin at well.com
>>>
>>>
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