[TheForge] Hammer in NY

Wed Sep 28 09:37:44 EDT 2005

Larry,

I just sold my Champion #0 (35#) hammer, replaced it with a 70# Kuhn.

I have a Beaudry #11 that I might consider selling. It is rated at 300#. It 
is not as large a machine as a Little Giant of that size. I am the third 
owner and have not set it up yet. Is the hammer for you?

Jonathan

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>   1. Re: forging copper? (Roy Wilson)
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>   4. RE: forging copper? (Roger R Degner)
>   5. Re: bridge crane (Rick Korinek)
>   6. Re: RE: [TheForge] forging copper? (Roy Wilson)
>   7. Re: Bridge Crane etc. (Larry Brown)
>   8. RE: little giants (Larry and Pat Brown)
>   9. untapped resource? (Daniel Kretchmar)
>  10. Re: forging copper? (James Binnion)
>  11. Re: forging copper? (Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:40:59 -0400
> From: "Roy Wilson" <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] forging copper?
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> ======= On 2005-09-27, at 18:22:52 schade wrote: =======
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>>Is copper electric buss bar okay to forge?
>
> They've got beryllium in the alloy.  I wouldn't breathe the smoke, but I 
> don't know exactly how toxic it is.
>
>
> "Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>
> Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
> 2005-09-27
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> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:58:44 -0500
> From: "Rob Fertner" <rfertner at cox.net>
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] forging copper?
> To: <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>, "'Sponsored by ABANA'"
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> Beryllium is highly toxic. I've been told not to forge anything with
> beryllium or grind it. It's not worth the risk.
>
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> Subject: Re: [TheForge] forging copper?
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> ======= On 2005-09-27, at 18:22:52 schade wrote: =======
>
>>Is copper electric buss bar okay to forge?
>
> They've got beryllium in the alloy.  I wouldn't breathe the smoke,
> but I don't know exactly how toxic it is.
>
>
> "Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>
> Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
> 2005-09-27
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> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:15:19 -0500
> From: "Roger R Degner" <rog781 at means.net>
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] little giants
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> Anybody call to see how much they wanted
> I spent too much money today on a 3B Nazel and have enough Little
> giants.
> 2 Saturdays ago I sent in an absentee bid for $550 on possibly a 50 LG
> site unseen.  It sold for $650 in central MN.
> In PA there is a 100# little giant for sale from the same person who
> sold me the Nazel.  Don't know the asking price.
> Mike Blue in MN has a 100# LG also probably for sale.
>
> Roger R Degner
>
>
>
>
> There was an ad in the Minneapolis paper yesterday for two LG hammers
> for sale. One 25lb and one 50lb.
>
> Phone number is 701 284 6388. North Dakota area code.
>
> Bob
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:19:21 -0500
> From: "Roger R Degner" <rog781 at means.net>
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] forging copper?
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> That is what one of the UMBA members used to make his copper hat pins
> from.
> He makes a one sided die cuts the slug heats it and gives it a whack
> with the treadle hammer
>
> Roger R Degner
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>
> Is copper electric buss bar okay to forge?
>
> Bob
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> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:05:28 -0500
> From: "Rick Korinek" <rickkorinek at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] bridge crane
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> Bridge cranes can be purchased used.  Another option is to set up a jib
> crane off of a collumn set into a concrete footing.  These are also
> available new and used.
>
> Rick Korinek
> Island City Forge
> Minocqua, WI
> islandcityforge.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Switzer" <switz at mindspring.com>
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> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] bridge crane
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>
>>I have considered a couple of gantry cranes on wheels.  They would be
>>easier and much cheaper to build.  But they probably wouldn't be an even
>>substitute.  So if I ave the choice I'll go with the bridge crane.  Of
>>course there may be times I'll wish I had both.  Of course I have seen a
>>gantry crane tip over with a 50# little giant hanging under it, scared us
>>half to death but didn't hurt the hammer.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>>A good friend of mine who runs a large shop has a couple of gantry
>>>cranes in the corners. Easy to build, much less complicated than a
>>>rolling bridge, and they work really well. Not quite the reach, though,
>>>of course. Just a tought.
>>>
>>>JRF
>>>
>>>--- John Switzer <switz at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I have the opportunity to build a new shop.  On the top of my wish
>>> > list is
>>> > a bridge crane.  Has anyone on the list ever built a bridge crane? is
>>> > it a
>>> > do it yourself project or should I just plan to hire it done?  The
>>> > building
>>> > will probably be 30 x 40 in the main shop area and it seems like a
>>> > 4000 lb
>>> > crane should be enough (2000 lb may be OK).  Any and all advise is
>>> > welcome.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > John Switzer
>>> > Black Bear Forge
>>> > 7019 Burnt Mill rd
>>> > Beulah, CO 81023
>>> > (719) 485-3109
>>> > http://www.blackbearforge.com
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>> John Switzer
>> 7019 Burnt Mill Rd
>> Beulah, CO 81023
>> (719) 485-3109
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> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:20:09 -0500
> From: "Roy Wilson" <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: [TheForge] forging copper?
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> ======= On 2005-09-27, at 19:19:21 Roger R Degner wrote: =======
>
>>That is what one of the UMBA members used to make his copper hat pins
>>from.
>>He makes a one sided die cuts the slug heats it and gives it a whack
>>with the treadle hammer
>
> If you're not heating it enough to get it smoking, I can't see the 
> beryllium being much of a problem.
>
>
> "Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>
> Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
> 2005-09-27
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:26:30 -0400
> From: Larry Brown <lp.brown at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Bridge Crane etc.
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> I like fork lifts if you have hard floors, in dirt they leave a little to
> be desired. (except for the big tired ones designed for outside but kinda
> big for a shop). You can always build a jib boom onto the fork lift to
> swing things around
> Larry Brown
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 9/27/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>>I would like a bridge crane for the coverage it offers, as it gets to
>>every corner of the shop. Problem is finding a used one when you need one.
>>How many times have we all heard "oh you should have been here a week
>>ago......"
>>
>>If you build 2 or 3 jib cranes you can stagger them to cover most of the
>>shop floor. They are cheaper and easier to build, but not as convenient.
>>
>>A friend of mine keeps telling me to go with a fork lift with an extended
>>lift. These can be very useful, if you have the room for one in the shop.
>>One great thing about the fork lift is that it can move loads in and out
>>of the shop.
>>
>>Jonathan
>
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> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 21:28:11 -0400
> From: Larry and Pat Brown <lp.brown at verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] little giants
> To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Anyone know of a power hammer for sale in the NYC and surrounding areas?
> Larry Brown
>
> At 07:15 PM 9/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>Anybody call to see how much they wanted
>>I spent too much money today on a 3B Nazel and have enough Little
>>giants.
>>2 Saturdays ago I sent in an absentee bid for $550 on possibly a 50 LG
>>site unseen.  It sold for $650 in central MN.
>>In PA there is a 100# little giant for sale from the same person who
>>sold me the Nazel.  Don't know the asking price.
>>Mike Blue in MN has a 100# LG also probably for sale.
>>
>>Roger R Degner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>There was an ad in the Minneapolis paper yesterday for two LG hammers
>>for sale. One 25lb and one 50lb.
>>
>>Phone number is 701 284 6388. North Dakota area code.
>>
>>Bob
>>
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> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:21:21 -0500
> From: "Daniel Kretchmar" <dan at irontreeworks.com>
> Subject: [TheForge] untapped resource?
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Hey all,
>      The other day, while I was driving home from work, it suddenly 
> occured
> to me that lawn mower blades are good steel...obvious I know....but I
> stopped at a lawn mower store and asked if I could have the old blades 
> that
> they took off when they replaced them...They showed me a bin that had 
> about
> 500 blades and said, "Take as many as you want!!"....long 
> blades.....blades
> made of something high carbon and only slightly thick for knives...(3/16)
>
> I did a grinding spark test and also heated and quenched and then 
> shattered
> one so I know its at least 1080. I flattened and annealed one and just
> finished grinding out a Usuba ocho (japanese vegatable cleaver).  It seems
> like the metal is great!  The two stores I called said that I could have 
> as
> many as I wanted as often as I wanted........
>
>
> Sooooo.....Why have I never heard people talk about this resource before?
> Have I just not noticed?  Is the metal toxic and contains something that
> will kill anyone uses it? :)
>
> Dan
> www.irontreeworks.com
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:45:36 -0700
> From: James Binnion <jbin at well.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] forging copper?
> To: rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com, Sponsored by ABANA
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> The vast majority of electrical buss bars are not beryllium copper.
> That alloy (C17400) is rarely used as it would only be needed in high
> strength buss bars. Most buss bars are oxygen free alloys that are
> pure copper or contain a tiny amount of silver along with the copper.
> Berylium copper has a slightly lighter color than pure copper.
>
> Jim
>
> On Sep 27, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Roy Wilson wrote:
>
>>
>> ======= On 2005-09-27, at 19:19:21 Roger R Degner wrote: =======
>>
>>
>>> That is what one of the UMBA members used to make his copper hat pins
>>> from.
>>> He makes a one sided die cuts the slug heats it and gives it a whack
>>> with the treadle hammer
>>>
>>
>>     If you're not heating it enough to get it smoking, I can't see
>> the beryllium being much of a problem.
>>
>>
>> "Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>>
>> Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
>> 2005-09-27
>>
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> James Binnion
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:35:41 -0700
> From: Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer <artgawk at thegrid.net>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] forging copper?
> To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> I'd just gotten done making vise jaw covers and then forging the
> scraps of some copper buss bar material yesterday and was
> mentally recounting any possible dust and oxide exposure..a bit
> worried....Thanks Jim, I feel relieved, mostly.
> Mostly because they didn't anneal as soft as i thought they
> would. Wondering if i should just scrap them....Was assuming they
> were buss bars from the conformation, not sure.
> CBA Oktoberfest this weekend...my favorite...making stuff to
> bring the last few days...Pete F
>
> James Binnion wrote:
>> The vast majority of electrical buss bars are not beryllium copper.
>> That alloy (C17400) is rarely used as it would only be needed in high
>> strength buss bars. Most buss bars are oxygen free alloys that are  pure
>> copper or contain a tiny amount of silver along with the copper.
>> Berylium copper has a slightly lighter color than pure copper.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Roy Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ======= On 2005-09-27, at 19:19:21 Roger R Degner wrote: =======
>>>
>>>
>>>> That is what one of the UMBA members used to make his copper hat pins
>>>> from.
>>>> He makes a one sided die cuts the slug heats it and gives it a whack
>>>> with the treadle hammer
>>>>
>>>
>>>     If you're not heating it enough to get it smoking, I can't see
>>> the beryllium being much of a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>>>
>>> Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
>>> 2005-09-27
>>>
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>>
>> James Binnion
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>>
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