[TheForge] Re:ABANA Kagele

Thu Sep 1 17:49:53 EDT 2005

Holy Cripes, doesn't seem they can say enough bad about the guy!  Maybe we
ought to get more doctors on the Board, they can bury their victims!

Kevin D

 -----Original Message-----
 From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Darrell
 Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:05 PM
 To: Sponsored by ABANA
 Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re:ABANA Kagele

 ABANA did NOT sue NWBA. Jerry Kagele did. That is what Kagele does. That is
 about ALL he does.
 Please take a look at these two links from lawyerethics.org and
 you will see
 what I am talking about.
 I have never seen anything metal related of Kagele's other than photos of
 other peoples work.
 If you search the archives for Kagele you will find other times
 that he sued
 or threatened to sue within the blacksmith community.
 Kagele's actions while an ABANA board member and Ms Yellen's
 actions while a
 board member and the actions of the ABANA board (destroying tapes and
 minutes) are the reason I have not and will not join ABANA.
 I am a member of NWBA and I understand that sealing the suit was the
 cheapest, fastest way to get rid of Kagele. We are well rid of him.

 http://www.lawyerethics.org/mt/archives/001054.html

 http://www.lawyerethics.org/mt/archives/000922.html

 Darrell

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Jeffrey Polaski" <jpolaski at rgs.uci.edu>
 To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:04 AM
 Subject: RE: [TheForge] Re:ABANA Kagele

 > I don't think any one is denying that ABANA is a good organization. And
 > I'm all for protecting ABANA. However, "political disagreements" between
 > people don't necessarily result in sealed lawsuits. It's the sealed part
 > that I have trouble with.
 >
 > I'd like to know *why* NWBA got sued by ABANA. I don't know anything
 > about NWBA, but these organizations seem to be "kissing cousins".
 >
 > I'm new to ABANA, and have met a few blacksmiths through CBA (California
 > Blacksmiths Assoc.), so please don't think I'm trying to speak for
 > everyone... CBA is a well run and, also, a pretty informal group. Not
 > everyone like each other, but it's a civil, friendly group. I imagine
 > that ABANA is about the same.
 >
 > I don't know the facts, but I think it odd that a disagreement would
 > result in a lawsuit, especially one that is sealed so that the involved
 > parties can't talk about it. It also seems unfair that the *hosts* won't
 > be participating in the 2006 conference.
 >
 > I'm not saying whether or not the lawsuit should have happened - I
 > wasn't there and I don't know enough to make that decision. I'm just
 > saying that I, as an ABANA member, want to know more so I can make up my
 > own mind.
 >
 > Jeff Polaski
 >
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
 > [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ries Niemi
 > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:55 PM
 > To: Sponsored by ABANA
 > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re:ABANA Kagele
 >
 >
 > >
 > > and the reason abana still exists is?
 > >
 > > --
 > > terry l. ridder ><>
 > >
 >
 >
 > Simple- because, even though it has political disagreements, every
 > gathering of more than one person on earth has political disagreements.
 >
 > Abana offers a much needed link between blacksmiths around the country.
 > It puts on great conferences which bring together people from around
 > the world. It publishes a magazine, which, for many years, was the ONLY
 > place to find ads for companies selling blacksmith equipment, and
 > articles about other smiths.
 > It played a pivotal role in raising the spirits of all those isolated
 > individuals around the country, who each believed they were the only
 > one trying to recreate some of those old techniques.
 >
 > Nowadays, we are a bit spoiled, with more magazines, websites, forums,
 > email groups, guilds and chapters.
 > But when Abana started in the 70's, there was none of that stuff, and
 > if Abana hadnt existed, a lot of the current blacksmithing scene might
 > not either. Virtually the entire idea of a local blacksmiths group, or
 > indeed a virtual one on the internet, is based on the model of Abana.
 >
 > And regardless of what you think it has done for you lately, it is
 > still the best, most accesible way for newbies to find out about
 > blacksmithing, to link up with others, and to see the incredible range
 > of modern work being done.
 > Blacksmiths, even more than most people, love to argue, think they are
 > right, and get into pissing contests. So gather 5000 of them together
 > into Abana, and you get a lot of these arguments. But overall, the
 > organisation does a lot, and helps a lot of people. If you dont want to
 > join, dont. No problem. But dont try to deny all the good it has, and
 > continues to do.
 >
 > ries
 >
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