[TheForge] Re:ABANA Kagele

Thu Sep 1 13:28:22 EDT 2005

Darrell,
Please tell us how you REALLY feel.
I can't help but wonder, given this evidence,
how in Gods' name can the ABANA board put up with, much less condone,
him.Seems strange that any intelligent person could side w/ that Keagle 
fellow against Geo. Dixon.
Maybe I answered my own question. Are they as stupid as he seems?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darrell" <darrell at machinemaster.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re:ABANA Kagele

> ABANA did NOT sue NWBA. Jerry Kagele did. That is what Kagele does. That 
> is
> about ALL he does.
> Please take a look at these two links from lawyerethics.org and you will 
> see
> what I am talking about.
> I have never seen anything metal related of Kagele's other than photos of
> other peoples work.
> If you search the archives for Kagele you will find other times that he 
> sued
> or threatened to sue within the blacksmith community.
> Kagele's actions while an ABANA board member and Ms Yellen's actions while 
> a
> board member and the actions of the ABANA board (destroying tapes and
> minutes) are the reason I have not and will not join ABANA.
> I am a member of NWBA and I understand that sealing the suit was the
> cheapest, fastest way to get rid of Kagele. We are well rid of him.
>
> http://www.lawyerethics.org/mt/archives/001054.html
>
> http://www.lawyerethics.org/mt/archives/000922.html
>
> Darrell
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeffrey Polaski" <jpolaski at rgs.uci.edu>
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Re:ABANA Kagele
>
>
>> I don't think any one is denying that ABANA is a good organization. And
>> I'm all for protecting ABANA. However, "political disagreements" between
>> people don't necessarily result in sealed lawsuits. It's the sealed part
>> that I have trouble with.
>>
>> I'd like to know *why* NWBA got sued by ABANA. I don't know anything
>> about NWBA, but these organizations seem to be "kissing cousins".
>>
>> I'm new to ABANA, and have met a few blacksmiths through CBA (California
>> Blacksmiths Assoc.), so please don't think I'm trying to speak for
>> everyone... CBA is a well run and, also, a pretty informal group. Not
>> everyone like each other, but it's a civil, friendly group. I imagine
>> that ABANA is about the same.
>>
>> I don't know the facts, but I think it odd that a disagreement would
>> result in a lawsuit, especially one that is sealed so that the involved
>> parties can't talk about it. It also seems unfair that the *hosts* won't
>> be participating in the 2006 conference.
>>
>> I'm not saying whether or not the lawsuit should have happened - I
>> wasn't there and I don't know enough to make that decision. I'm just
>> saying that I, as an ABANA member, want to know more so I can make up my
>> own mind.
>>
>> Jeff Polaski
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ries Niemi
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:55 PM
>> To: Sponsored by ABANA
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re:ABANA Kagele
>>
>>
>> >
>> > and the reason abana still exists is?
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > terry l. ridder ><>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Simple- because, even though it has political disagreements, every
>> gathering of more than one person on earth has political disagreements.
>>
>> Abana offers a much needed link between blacksmiths around the country.
>> It puts on great conferences which bring together people from around
>> the world. It publishes a magazine, which, for many years, was the ONLY
>> place to find ads for companies selling blacksmith equipment, and
>> articles about other smiths.
>> It played a pivotal role in raising the spirits of all those isolated
>> individuals around the country, who each believed they were the only
>> one trying to recreate some of those old techniques.
>>
>> Nowadays, we are a bit spoiled, with more magazines, websites, forums,
>> email groups, guilds and chapters.
>> But when Abana started in the 70's, there was none of that stuff, and
>> if Abana hadnt existed, a lot of the current blacksmithing scene might
>> not either. Virtually the entire idea of a local blacksmiths group, or
>> indeed a virtual one on the internet, is based on the model of Abana.
>>
>> And regardless of what you think it has done for you lately, it is
>> still the best, most accesible way for newbies to find out about
>> blacksmithing, to link up with others, and to see the incredible range
>> of modern work being done.
>> Blacksmiths, even more than most people, love to argue, think they are
>> right, and get into pissing contests. So gather 5000 of them together
>> into Abana, and you get a lot of these arguments. But overall, the
>> organisation does a lot, and helps a lot of people. If you dont want to
>> join, dont. No problem. But dont try to deny all the good it has, and
>> continues to do.
>>
>> ries
>>
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