[TheForge] NJMT

[Walter Mullett]

Whoa Bruce, I did read your email correctly and responded as such..  

Snipped directly from your email " A fellow down a the Pine Creek Railroad
(NJ Museum of Transportation) needs to rivet up a boiler for a locomotive
they're rebuilding.  He has some references on proper riveting, but
expressed an interest in some more."  Seems that was exactly riveting up
boilers.  That was what I was responding to and I didn't write the initial
post, you did.

Seems to me that if someone 'has references for proper riveting but is
looking for more' would lead one to believe knowledge is lacking.  May be
wrong but not a bad deduction given your statement.

But none of this is worth further discussion.  The initial thread was
riveting and is still a valid discussion topic.  The address I gave for
Strasburg is also still a good resource so don't throw the baby out with the
water. They list as part of their tooling that they have 
	Three-head Buffalo electric rivet heater 
	Complete inventory of riveting tools: 
		Air hammers, rivet guns, snaps, 
		chisels, air buckers, etc. 
	1/2" to 1-1/4" rivet head forming dies 
so they must do riveting.  In addition, they list their capabilities as:
Extensive historic research libraries. Professional design and engineering
specifications. Complete and accurate FRA Form 4 evaluations and
calculations. Material analysis and testing. Certified ASME Section IX
welding procedures. Consultation on non-destructive examination and material
heat treatment. Complete and accurate equipment condition assessments.
Resolution of technical problems.

  http://www.strasburgrailroad.com/mechshop_overview.aspx

Walt  

-----Original Message-----
From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:27 AM
To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [TheForge] NJMT

Okay, let me nip this in the bud.

The "no prior experience" quip was completely uncalled for, and a great
disservice to NJMT.  I'll thank respondents to READ my emails, and not start
rumors circulating based on what they THOUGHT they read.

NJMT DOES know what they're doing with respect to boilers.  They are state
qualified and state inspected.  Unlike some of our midwestern states, NJ has
VERY strict regulations regarding boilers.  Furthermore, NJ makes
certification in these areas of knowledge quite easy * I could take a course
(2 semesters, I think, maybe 4) in my local adult education program to get
certified in the inspection and operation of low and high-pressure boilers.
(Yes, NJ requires certification for LOW pressure boilers, too.)

The question had nothing to do with boilers, per se, but with the exact
procedure for setting hot rivets.  Period.  A simple procedural question.
It seems there's not much documentation on a subject, and they're interested
in learning more.  I'm guessing that much of the documentation might have
been in the form of literature from the manufacturers of rivets or rivet
tools (some of which were quite elaborate).

A wise man does not assume he knows everything, but seeks out more knowledge
even when he, perhaps, knows it already.  Only the fool refuses to admit he
might have something to learn.

Bruce
NJ

>>> osan at netlabs.net 3/7/2005 6:03:55 PM >>>


Walter Mullett wrote:
> I don't think I would like to be around a boiler that someone made who 
> had no prior experience.

	Coudn't agree with you more.  What's odd is that I thought I
understood that the shop at Pine Creek was FRA certified to do boiler work.
If that is so, why are they asking for riveting information?
I probably misunderstood.

The Grand Canyon RR runs two steam engines and is in the process of
restoring a third.  THey just finished their large steamer and the boiler
rebuild cost something like $2M and was done by a specialty shop.

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