[TheForge] Nazel 4b

Jerry Frost frosty at customcpu.com
Fri Aug 12 00:07:42 EDT 2005 

I like the way you think Justin.

A CVN of course. I think you'd want nuclear to power the million ton steam 
hammer. No?

Frosty
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If it ain't forged
it ain't real.
Wrought iron is.
The FrostWorks

Meadow Lakes, AK.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Fellenz" <sunironworks at yahoo.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: [TheForge] Nazel 4b


> Uh, start with "big" and "fast" and work your way up till you couldn't
> afford it anymore. Like, say, an f-18 on your own aircraft carrier.
> Your own foundry. All the machine tools to manufacture any vehicle you
> could imagine and the master tradespeople to teach you how to use them.
> You know. Big. Fast. Interesting. Cool.
>
> But you're right. You either go for the superlative or you run out of
> money.
>
> In the meantime, I'll work on the chinese hammer and maybe an english
> wheel. And see if I can find a master smith who will teach me to use
> them both with more finesse for beers and laughs.
>
> J
>
> --- Kevin Donahoe <flyinpig at go-concepts.com> wrote:
>
>> Justin wrote "Ah well. Wouldn't it be nice to be filthy rich? THink
>> of all
>> the silly
>> things you could have...."
>>
>> But then, how would we know what's important :)?
>>
>> KD
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>  [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Justin Fellenz
>>  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:13 PM
>>  To: Sponsored by ABANA
>>  Subject: RE: [TheForge] Nazel 4b
>>
>>
>>  Yeah, and then you gotta have one of those 3000 lb steam
>> chambersburgs,
>>  and then you gotta get a hundred-million-pound monster like someone
>> was
>>  talking about at alcoa...there's just no end to cool stuff you NEED
>> to
>>  have in your shop.
>>
>>  Nah, Ries and others poured sufficient oil on the waters of
>> insanity. I
>>  am back to just working toward a chinese 88 pounder. Of course, now
>> I
>>  gotta work some gazintas and in-floor exhaust into my shop plans...
>>
>>  Ah well. Wouldn't it be nice to be filthy rich? THink of all the
>> silly
>>  things you could have....
>>
>>  J
>>
>>  --- Kevin Donahoe <flyinpig at go-concepts.com> wrote:
>>
>>  > Justin,
>>  >
>>  > Why stop at a 4B, here's a 5B for sale here in Cincinnati at CW
>> Wood,
>>  > Inc.
>>  > http://inv.cwwood.com/q/webinv/008760=iform,4628,,,b,,,20068474,,
>>  >
>>  > Just think 21K lbs of iron, 750# ram weight, approximately 25 hp
>>  > motor....
>>  > whooooooohooooo!
>>  >
>>  > I called once to see it, kinda like driving by a wreck on the
>> hiway,
>>  > just
>>  > gotta look.  But I don't think it's exactly in stock.
>>  >
>>  > Also, don't many of these hammers this size require a team to run
>>  > them?  Got
>>  > any relations or nearby friends similarly afflicted?  Hell, I'll
>> come
>>  > and
>>  > play.
>>  >
>>  > Kevin D
>>  >
>>  >  -----Original Message-----
>>  >  From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>  >  [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Justin
>> Fellenz
>>  >  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:52 AM
>>  >  To: Sponsored by ABANA
>>  >  Subject: Re: [TheForge] Nazel 4b
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >  Ries,
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Hey Justin- I only have an 88lb hammer- a nazel 4 B is
>> something
>>  > like
>>  >  > a
>>  >  > 400lb hammer, able to work 7" square material.
>>  >  >
>>  >  Yeah, it's probably a bit much. I was thinking of offering 2k,
>> but
>>  > even
>>  >  that with rigging and installation is probably not worth it. I
>>  > admit, I
>>  >  do have a thing for huge old chunks of iron, but I hardly have
>> Mr.
>>  >  Leno's resources. I have (had) more or less decided on an 88lb
>>  > Striker,
>>  >  but then tis came along.
>>  >
>>  >  > Thats not buying a tool- thats making a lifelong committment.
>>  >
>>  >  Well said. I always figure tools are for life, but you can overdo
>>  > it.
>>  >
>>  >  > Of course, my friend George Rolstad has something like 5
>> hammers
>>  > in
>>  >  > this size range, including one at least twice this big. But
>> none
>>  > of
>>  >  > em
>>  >  > have been running in 10 years or so, and not destined to do so
>> any
>>  >  > time
>>  >  > soon- George is more of a collector, with the eventual
>> intention
>>  > of
>>  >  > getting his shop running before he dies.
>>  >
>>  >  Yeah. I can see that approach, I guess. I have a friend who does
>> the
>>  >  same thing. He has 16 or so anvils in pristine shape from 350-700
>>  >  pounds and doesn't own a forge. They'll never see a piece of hot
>>  > iron
>>  >  again, and that's fine with him. Not really my style--I actually
>> get
>>  >  groceries and whatnote in my unimog, same as a pickup truck. I
>> have
>>  > a
>>  >  lot of old tools, some of which are dolar for dollar not as
>>  > efficient
>>  >  as a newer version, but I put up with their ideosyncracies
>> because I
>>  >  like old iron. It's a balance.
>>  >
>>  >  > but if your goal is actually to forge parts,
>>  >  you probably ought to look at smaller hammers.
>>  >
>>  >  It is. I'm starting down the road you seem to be well along, a
>> kid
>>  > on
>>  >  the way and a desire to do metal art for a living. We'll see if I
>>  > have
>>  >  the talent. So a more reasonable hammer is, well, more
>> reasonable.
>>  >
>>  >  Are you going to the Seattle Abana conference?
>>  >
>>  >  J
>>  >
>>  >
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