[TheForge] Nazel 4b

Thu Aug 11 16:04:00 EDT 2005

Uh, start with "big" and "fast" and work your way up till you couldn't
afford it anymore. Like, say, an f-18 on your own aircraft carrier.
Your own foundry. All the machine tools to manufacture any vehicle you
could imagine and the master tradespeople to teach you how to use them.
You know. Big. Fast. Interesting. Cool.

But you're right. You either go for the superlative or you run out of
money.

In the meantime, I'll work on the chinese hammer and maybe an english
wheel. And see if I can find a master smith who will teach me to use
them both with more finesse for beers and laughs.

J

--- Kevin Donahoe <flyinpig at go-concepts.com> wrote:

> Justin wrote "Ah well. Wouldn't it be nice to be filthy rich? THink
> of all
> the silly
> things you could have...."
> 
> But then, how would we know what's important :)?
> 
> KD
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>  [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Justin Fellenz
>  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:13 PM
>  To: Sponsored by ABANA
>  Subject: RE: [TheForge] Nazel 4b
> 
> 
>  Yeah, and then you gotta have one of those 3000 lb steam
> chambersburgs,
>  and then you gotta get a hundred-million-pound monster like someone
> was
>  talking about at alcoa...there's just no end to cool stuff you NEED
> to
>  have in your shop.
> 
>  Nah, Ries and others poured sufficient oil on the waters of
> insanity. I
>  am back to just working toward a chinese 88 pounder. Of course, now
> I
>  gotta work some gazintas and in-floor exhaust into my shop plans...
> 
>  Ah well. Wouldn't it be nice to be filthy rich? THink of all the
> silly
>  things you could have....
> 
>  J
> 
>  --- Kevin Donahoe <flyinpig at go-concepts.com> wrote:
> 
>  > Justin,
>  >
>  > Why stop at a 4B, here's a 5B for sale here in Cincinnati at CW
> Wood,
>  > Inc.
>  > http://inv.cwwood.com/q/webinv/008760=iform,4628,,,b,,,20068474,,
>  >
>  > Just think 21K lbs of iron, 750# ram weight, approximately 25 hp
>  > motor....
>  > whooooooohooooo!
>  >
>  > I called once to see it, kinda like driving by a wreck on the
> hiway,
>  > just
>  > gotta look.  But I don't think it's exactly in stock.
>  >
>  > Also, don't many of these hammers this size require a team to run
>  > them?  Got
>  > any relations or nearby friends similarly afflicted?  Hell, I'll
> come
>  > and
>  > play.
>  >
>  > Kevin D
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>  >  [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Justin
> Fellenz
>  >  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:52 AM
>  >  To: Sponsored by ABANA
>  >  Subject: Re: [TheForge] Nazel 4b
>  >
>  >
>  >  Ries,
>  >  >
>  >  > Hey Justin- I only have an 88lb hammer- a nazel 4 B is
> something
>  > like
>  >  > a
>  >  > 400lb hammer, able to work 7" square material.
>  >  >
>  >  Yeah, it's probably a bit much. I was thinking of offering 2k,
> but
>  > even
>  >  that with rigging and installation is probably not worth it. I
>  > admit, I
>  >  do have a thing for huge old chunks of iron, but I hardly have
> Mr.
>  >  Leno's resources. I have (had) more or less decided on an 88lb
>  > Striker,
>  >  but then tis came along.
>  >
>  >  > Thats not buying a tool- thats making a lifelong committment.
>  >
>  >  Well said. I always figure tools are for life, but you can overdo
>  > it.
>  >
>  >  > Of course, my friend George Rolstad has something like 5
> hammers
>  > in
>  >  > this size range, including one at least twice this big. But
> none
>  > of
>  >  > em
>  >  > have been running in 10 years or so, and not destined to do so
> any
>  >  > time
>  >  > soon- George is more of a collector, with the eventual
> intention
>  > of
>  >  > getting his shop running before he dies.
>  >
>  >  Yeah. I can see that approach, I guess. I have a friend who does
> the
>  >  same thing. He has 16 or so anvils in pristine shape from 350-700
>  >  pounds and doesn't own a forge. They'll never see a piece of hot
>  > iron
>  >  again, and that's fine with him. Not really my style--I actually
> get
>  >  groceries and whatnote in my unimog, same as a pickup truck. I
> have
>  > a
>  >  lot of old tools, some of which are dolar for dollar not as
>  > efficient
>  >  as a newer version, but I put up with their ideosyncracies
> because I
>  >  like old iron. It's a balance.
>  >
>  >  > but if your goal is actually to forge parts,
>  >  you probably ought to look at smaller hammers.
>  >
>  >  It is. I'm starting down the road you seem to be well along, a
> kid
>  > on
>  >  the way and a desire to do metal art for a living. We'll see if I
>  > have
>  >  the talent. So a more reasonable hammer is, well, more
> reasonable.
>  >
>  >  Are you going to the Seattle Abana conference?
>  >
>  >  J
>  >
>  >
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