[TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set

Mon Dec 22 00:43:21 2003

I don't know anything about Henrod but All States torches are designed from
the regulator to the tip to burn propane. They're manufactured by Harris and
Harris puts out an oxy propane rig themselves but the patent prohibits them
from selling the same technology.

I bought mine a long time ago and it was around $600, last I heard it was
around $650. Don't know what it is now. The set looks pretty thin too. Mine
came vacuum packed on a piece of cardboardm like a cheap knife. You get
regs, hoses, handle three torches, cutting head w/ two tips, heater
(rosebud) and brazing torch.

Of the two cutting tips one is the "weld eraser" you're basic scarfing tip,
bent with two preheat flames. Stand well behind the guy when he demos this
one, it's like a bomb going off. He aimed it foreward, inline with the
handle instead of at 90* and started his preheat. His dog literally headed
for the shop and he told me to stand back. As soon as the "ready for oxy"
cue showed, he hit the oxy lever and shoved it foreward as fast as he could.
There was a loud pow, a huge blast of sparks and he was done.

What was left was a scarfed groove in the plate about 1/4" deep and 1/2"
wide a good 18" long. It had gouged it out so fast the plate in the groove
was barely warm. (Not where the preheat took place of course)

Oh yeah, I like it, a LOT. Don't take my word for it though, contact Lyle
and get a demo from the local distributor. Last time I tried E-mailing him,
he still wasn't checking his mail. This may have changed but if he doesn't
reply, give him a call, he's a great guy.

Frosty
------------------------
If it ain't forged
it ain't real.
Wrought iron is.
The FrostWorks

Meadow Lakes, AK.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Sproul" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set

>     Frosty, Sounds like you really like this unit.  I've never realized
> there was a difference between a Henrob and an Allstates torch.  I've seen
> the Henrob and wasn't all that impressed, but if you can cut sheet, cut
> plate and machine after, and do localized heat on 1" stock with this
> Allstates torch, then it is worth considering for sure.
>         You mentioned a high price on initial purchase in your first post,
> how much was the initial cost of this torch?  A nice Victor combo torch is
> in the $475-525 range.......and like you say, those do eat the gases.
>
> Ralph
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Frost" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set
>
>
> > One last thing.
> >
> > The conversion tips and multi-fuel torches suck big time running
propane.
> > They're just not designed for it, they'll eat oxy at least twice as fast
> as
> > the same torch running acet and at least four times as fast as the All
> > States torch. I know, I've used them and paid the bills. $$$
> >
> > The lowest you can reasonably set an acet regulator is around 2+/- lb.
> When
> > I'm piercing 4-5" the All States is running around 7 oz. of propane.
> >
> > I only have an 0 cutting tip and just by changing the regulator setting
> (you
> > only set the oxy, the propane is metered from a sealed regulator) I can
> cut
> > 20 gage without warping it or crank up the psi and pierce 4-5" of steel.
> >
> > Another thing oxy prop lets you do acet won't is machining a torch cut.
> > Propane doesn't add carbon to the steel so I can pierce, let it cool and
> > chase it out with a HS drill bit or torch off a chunk of rnd, chuck it
in
> my
> > lathe and face it off with a HS cutter. I'm speaking of mild steel of
> > course.
> >
> > The slag is also low carbon, very low and almost always cleans off with
a
> > quick scrape on a table edge, etc. I almost never have to grind slag
off.
> >
> > One of the techniques you use with the All States cutting torch is
rolling
> > the tip. The oxy jet will cut cleanly up to 9" from the tip so for cuts
> > shorter than say 10-12" you hold the torch in one place and roll it in
> your
> > hands to direct the oxy jet across your cut.
> >
> > After a little practice you'll find yourself cranking the pressure high
> and
> > going really fast. I can make a nice, straight clean cut in a piece of
> 1/2"
> > x 12" in maybe 2-3 seconds, tops.
> >
> > There's no need for a fuel saver as it has a thumb valve on the body,
set
> it
> > once for a job and light it when needed. You can get an auto-light (or
> > could) so you don't have to mess with a striker but I just clip my
trickle
> > charger to the torch and ground it on the table. Flick the thumb valve
and
> > brush the tip on the table . . .POW it's going, properly adjusted and
> ready
> > for action.
> >
> > The "rosebud" or "Heater" (All States name for it) is smaller than the
end
> > of my middle finger and will melt 1 cu/in of steel in under 11 seconds.
> >
> > If you think you may want to use oxy acet, get a second rig. Don't
> > compromise with a conversion or multi-fuel, they don't cut it.
> >
> > Frosty
> > ------------------------
> > If it ain't forged
> > it ain't real.
> > Wrought iron is.
> > The FrostWorks
> >
> > Meadow Lakes, AK.
> >
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