[TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set
Ralph Sproul
[email protected]
Tue Dec 23 07:09:00 2003
Thanks Frosty, I like the explaination on the gouging with this torch, that
could have real saving implications on stripping parts for repairs.
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Frost" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set
> I don't know anything about Henrod but All States torches are designed
from
> the regulator to the tip to burn propane. They're manufactured by Harris
and
> Harris puts out an oxy propane rig themselves but the patent prohibits
them
> from selling the same technology.
>
> I bought mine a long time ago and it was around $600, last I heard it was
> around $650. Don't know what it is now. The set looks pretty thin too.
Mine
> came vacuum packed on a piece of cardboardm like a cheap knife. You get
> regs, hoses, handle three torches, cutting head w/ two tips, heater
> (rosebud) and brazing torch.
>
> Of the two cutting tips one is the "weld eraser" you're basic scarfing
tip,
> bent with two preheat flames. Stand well behind the guy when he demos this
> one, it's like a bomb going off. He aimed it foreward, inline with the
> handle instead of at 90* and started his preheat. His dog literally headed
> for the shop and he told me to stand back. As soon as the "ready for oxy"
> cue showed, he hit the oxy lever and shoved it foreward as fast as he
could.
> There was a loud pow, a huge blast of sparks and he was done.
>
> What was left was a scarfed groove in the plate about 1/4" deep and 1/2"
> wide a good 18" long. It had gouged it out so fast the plate in the groove
> was barely warm. (Not where the preheat took place of course)
>
> Oh yeah, I like it, a LOT. Don't take my word for it though, contact Lyle
> and get a demo from the local distributor. Last time I tried E-mailing
him,
> he still wasn't checking his mail. This may have changed but if he doesn't
> reply, give him a call, he's a great guy.
>
> Frosty
> ------------------------
> If it ain't forged
> it ain't real.
> Wrought iron is.
> The FrostWorks
>
> Meadow Lakes, AK.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralph Sproul" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set
>
>
> > Frosty, Sounds like you really like this unit. I've never realized
> > there was a difference between a Henrob and an Allstates torch. I've
seen
> > the Henrob and wasn't all that impressed, but if you can cut sheet, cut
> > plate and machine after, and do localized heat on 1" stock with this
> > Allstates torch, then it is worth considering for sure.
> > You mentioned a high price on initial purchase in your first
post,
> > how much was the initial cost of this torch? A nice Victor combo torch
is
> > in the $475-525 range.......and like you say, those do eat the gases.
> >
> > Ralph
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry Frost" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set
> >
> >
> > > One last thing.
> > >
> > > The conversion tips and multi-fuel torches suck big time running
> propane.
> > > They're just not designed for it, they'll eat oxy at least twice as
fast
> > as
> > > the same torch running acet and at least four times as fast as the All
> > > States torch. I know, I've used them and paid the bills. $$$
> > >
> > > The lowest you can reasonably set an acet regulator is around 2+/- lb.
> > When
> > > I'm piercing 4-5" the All States is running around 7 oz. of propane.
> > >
> > > I only have an 0 cutting tip and just by changing the regulator
setting
> > (you
> > > only set the oxy, the propane is metered from a sealed regulator) I
can
> > cut
> > > 20 gage without warping it or crank up the psi and pierce 4-5" of
steel.
> > >
> > > Another thing oxy prop lets you do acet won't is machining a torch
cut.
> > > Propane doesn't add carbon to the steel so I can pierce, let it cool
and
> > > chase it out with a HS drill bit or torch off a chunk of rnd, chuck it
> in
> > my
> > > lathe and face it off with a HS cutter. I'm speaking of mild steel of
> > > course.
> > >
> > > The slag is also low carbon, very low and almost always cleans off
with
> a
> > > quick scrape on a table edge, etc. I almost never have to grind slag
> off.
> > >
> > > One of the techniques you use with the All States cutting torch is
> rolling
> > > the tip. The oxy jet will cut cleanly up to 9" from the tip so for
cuts
> > > shorter than say 10-12" you hold the torch in one place and roll it in
> > your
> > > hands to direct the oxy jet across your cut.
> > >
> > > After a little practice you'll find yourself cranking the pressure
high
> > and
> > > going really fast. I can make a nice, straight clean cut in a piece of
> > 1/2"
> > > x 12" in maybe 2-3 seconds, tops.
> > >
> > > There's no need for a fuel saver as it has a thumb valve on the body,
> set
> > it
> > > once for a job and light it when needed. You can get an auto-light (or
> > > could) so you don't have to mess with a striker but I just clip my
> trickle
> > > charger to the torch and ground it on the table. Flick the thumb valve
> and
> > > brush the tip on the table . . .POW it's going, properly adjusted and
> > ready
> > > for action.
> > >
> > > The "rosebud" or "Heater" (All States name for it) is smaller than the
> end
> > > of my middle finger and will melt 1 cu/in of steel in under 11
seconds.
> > >
> > > If you think you may want to use oxy acet, get a second rig. Don't
> > > compromise with a conversion or multi-fuel, they don't cut it.
> > >
> > > Frosty
> > > ------------------------
> > > If it ain't forged
> > > it ain't real.
> > > Wrought iron is.
> > > The FrostWorks
> > >
> > > Meadow Lakes, AK.
> > >
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