[TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set

Mon Dec 22 00:43:49 2003

Yeah, I talked Ron into one too.

I haven't seen his cart and pilot set up but recall reading about it a while
back.

Frosty
------------------------
If it ain't forged
it ain't real.
Wrought iron is.
The FrostWorks

Meadow Lakes, AK.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dann Johnson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set

>
> Searching  on Google for  "Allstates  Oxy Propane"  one of the things that
> I found was a  Ron Reil page.
> The photo of his Allstates Torch Stand looked interesting also.
> http://www.reil1.net/cart.jpg  His page stated that he got the idea from
> conference: ...." This image is of a mobile torch cart I built for my
> All-States oxy/propane torch. The torch has a pilot flame, and when using
> it I like to have a safe and convenient place for the torch when I need to
> put it down. I observed this torch cart design at the NWBA Spring
> Conference in Sisters, Oregon, at Ponderosa Forge. I thought it was such
an
> exceptional design that I had to make one for my shop. I also made a tool
> tray/table that goes in place of the torch cradle when I am not using it.
> That way I can use this nifty little cart all the time, instead of just
for
> the torch."
>
> *******
>
> Ron's web page goes on to give the dimensions of the cart.
> http://www.reil1.net/Forge1.shtml#Torch
> Dann Johnson
>
> At 09:44 PM 12/20/2003, you wrote:
> >     Frosty, Sounds like you really like this unit.  I've never realized
> >there was a difference between a Henrob and an Allstates torch.  I've
seen
> >the Henrob and wasn't all that impressed, but if you can cut sheet, cut
> >plate and machine after, and do localized heat on 1" stock with this
> >Allstates torch, then it is worth considering for sure.
> >         You mentioned a high price on initial purchase in your first
post,
> >how much was the initial cost of this torch?  A nice Victor combo torch
is
> >in the $475-525 range.......and like you say, those do eat the gases.
> >
> >Ralph
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jerry Frost" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set
> >
> >
> > > One last thing.
> > >
> > > The conversion tips and multi-fuel torches suck big time running
propane.
> > > They're just not designed for it, they'll eat oxy at least twice as
fast
> >as
> > > the same torch running acet and at least four times as fast as the All
> > > States torch. I know, I've used them and paid the bills. $$$
> > >
> > > The lowest you can reasonably set an acet regulator is around 2+/- lb.
> >When
> > > I'm piercing 4-5" the All States is running around 7 oz. of propane.
> > >
> > > I only have an 0 cutting tip and just by changing the regulator
setting
> >(you
> > > only set the oxy, the propane is metered from a sealed regulator) I
can
> >cut
> > > 20 gage without warping it or crank up the psi and pierce 4-5" of
steel.
> > >
> > > Another thing oxy prop lets you do acet won't is machining a torch
cut.
> > > Propane doesn't add carbon to the steel so I can pierce, let it cool
and
> > > chase it out with a HS drill bit or torch off a chunk of rnd, chuck it
in
> >my
> > > lathe and face it off with a HS cutter. I'm speaking of mild steel of
> > > course.
> > >
> > > The slag is also low carbon, very low and almost always cleans off
with a
> > > quick scrape on a table edge, etc. I almost never have to grind slag
off.
> > >
> > > One of the techniques you use with the All States cutting torch is
rolling
> > > the tip. The oxy jet will cut cleanly up to 9" from the tip so for
cuts
> > > shorter than say 10-12" you hold the torch in one place and roll it in
> >your
> > > hands to direct the oxy jet across your cut.
> > >
> > > After a little practice you'll find yourself cranking the pressure
high
> >and
> > > going really fast. I can make a nice, straight clean cut in a piece of
> >1/2"
> > > x 12" in maybe 2-3 seconds, tops.
> > >
> > > There's no need for a fuel saver as it has a thumb valve on the body,
set
> >it
> > > once for a job and light it when needed. You can get an auto-light (or
> > > could) so you don't have to mess with a striker but I just clip my
trickle
> > > charger to the torch and ground it on the table. Flick the thumb valve
and
> > > brush the tip on the table . . .POW it's going, properly adjusted and
> >ready
> > > for action.
> > >
> > > The "rosebud" or "Heater" (All States name for it) is smaller than the
end
> > > of my middle finger and will melt 1 cu/in of steel in under 11
seconds.
> > >
> > > If you think you may want to use oxy acet, get a second rig. Don't
> > > compromise with a conversion or multi-fuel, they don't cut it.
> > >
> > > Frosty
> > > ------------------------
> > > If it ain't forged
> > > it ain't real.
> > > Wrought iron is.
> > > The FrostWorks
> > >
> > > Meadow Lakes, AK.
> > >
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