[TheForge] Flagstaff Minutes are on ABANA site

Mon Jul 8 09:01:01 2002

Ted,

I did CLEARLY READ (emphasis only) the minutes.  The minutes George said
were "NOT" there.  I agree, nothing in the minutes about $25,000 but yet
people keep quoting that number which seems to have STARTED WITH George
implying that the "real" 6k savings was less than 25k (a number that does
not appear in the minutes).

On this same issue, you judge ABANA as having poor record keeping because
the 25k figure is not in them.  HOGWASH!  As a secretary, you don't record
every word of a business meeting.  Especially NOT off-hand remarks or
numbers - unless, as the recording secretary, you add a qualifier that shows
that the number is only suggested and not "real".

Another problem? ---- Where did you get your information about the ABANA
president hiding, from the ABANA board, correspondence that came from George
? ...from George?

Seems to be yet another unsubstantiated "fact".

If the correspondence was addressed to the board and not disclosed to them,
then George should provide proof of that to the rest of the board and give
them a chance to deal with that problem rather than bringing it up here. If
George was intending to write to the board but only addressed the president,
then he should have copied the board.   If George wrote to the president,
then it was the president's right to decide if he wanted to disclose that.
PRIVATE correspondence is NOT THE PROPERTY of ABANA.

RE: How the bids were acquired.  You are right, there does seem to have been
some discussion as to how that was done.  Perhaps that was not done as best
as it could have been.  Boards do make mistakes but it appears that this
board was responsible because they did question there own methods and then
they passed a motion that reflects that concern.  Flagstaff 2000, MOTION #7.

I personally do not appreciate posts from individuals that quote inuendo or
speculation as fact.  I'm tired of people trying to use "TheForge" to
impeach the ABANA board with what appears to be half-truths. And I'm tired
of those members that are so quick to jump on the bash ABANA bandwagon
without looking at the information for themselves.

The ABANA Flagstaff minutes are there - READ THEM.

Thank you ABANA board members for your service.

Walt

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Flagstaff Minutes are on ABANA site

>Walt,
>
>     I would say you need to reread those posted minutes as Motion 10
CLEARLY
>(emphasis only) states that accepting the bid of Rob Edwards would result
in
>a savings! The 25,000 dollar figure was probably bantered about in the
>meeting... but we may never know for sure, due to poor keeping of minutes.
>This is assumed for total costs of publishing both magazines.  If the real
>result was a 6k increase (Georges figure) he may be right.
>
>    Another problem is that the President received correspondence form
George
>Dixon but claims to have used a "presidential perrogative" to not send any
>copies to board members. There is no such "perrogative" all correspondence
is
>to go to the secretary and should be read or entered into the minutes of
the
>meeting. You cannot simply ignore the letters recieved because you want to.
>The letters are the property of ABANA and not the Presidents. (I have
>forgotten correspondence in the past and have been taken to task by my
>members, and rightly so!)
>
>>">Look up Motion # 10. This is the publications vote in at the Summer
>>>conference board meeting. The vote occurred one-half year before Mr
>>>Fiorini accepted, and gave to Doug Learn, the bid package..."too late"
>>>for consideration.
>>----------
>>This was the vote on the publications and it doesn't appear that George
was
>>being considered.... but read on. What is George saying? Is he saying he
>>was too late for consideration?"
>>
>  First of all this was in reference to the bid of Jim McCarty not George
>Dixon.  Second there was some undisclosed discussion about the way the call
>for editor was handled during Dorthy Steiglers report on publications but
no
>specifics.  A review of the 1999 minutes yields no motion to put out bids
for
>the Publishing and editorship of the two ABANA publications.... so how was
>this set up, and where are the records of the meetings in which dates and
>methods of asking for bids are spelled out... this type of discussion is
>supposed to be in these minutes. There are just whole comments and
>discussions left out of these minutes. This is what informs those of us who
>can't be there of what was going on, this is unsat.
>
>  Over all I would say there is much less smoke than George would have us
>beleive, but this all seems to point up a terrible lack of accountability
to
>membership. I also would say that the handling of George's correspondence
to
>ABANA was unethical at least. This is not the way that the board of an
>organization should treat a member...at all. Especially a member who has
>contributed the way George has to the organization, shame on the board for
>this.
>
>         Ted Jones
>
>
>
>
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