A lot of Brit-talk has changed since I left there in 1968. I've recently heard the expression "half eight" meaning 8:30, which was never in use during my time there. In German, 'half eight' means halfway from 7 to 8 and thus 7:30 (unless that has changed as well...). Oh well, the Brits made the Ws use Zed for Zee on the air, at least. Derek aa5bt, g3nmx