[SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL

janartm at earthlink.net janartm at earthlink.net
Mon Oct 30 14:39:23 EST 2006 

Sending smoking letter to the league helps but with that a decrease in 
membership money gets their attention.

Art


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jim" <kd6ppn at peganet.com>
To: "World Wide Six Meter Club" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL


>i sent a "smoking" e mail to arrl,  still waiting for a reply, but not 
>gonna hold my breath.  FCC is next to get some mail from me, please do the 
>same.
> as Robert states below,experimental operations are covered in CFR47:
> 5.67 Policy governing the assignment of frequencies:
> "Frequency assignments will be made only on the condition that harmful 
> interference will not be caused to any station ..."
>
> it is clear that if they are causing interference, then they must cease 
> operations.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert B. Bonner" <rbonner at qro.com>
> To: "'World Wide Six Meter Club'" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL
>
>
>> Whoa, I just joined the reflector late last night.  Did I just jump into 
>> a
>> hornets nest here?  50.3-50.8?  Who's he kidding?  Right in the upper end 
>> of
>> all the action.  The band pops open during a contest and there's 
>> operating
>> all the way past 50.5 on SSB.
>>
>> Oh but you guys have 50.125 right?
>>
>> Right now I turn around and spin my pair of 6 elm beams at 60 & 80 feet 
>> and
>> listen to all the signals that sound like they are from the movie Contact 
>> as
>> it is.
>>
>> They have an experimental license? nice.  I've held experimental licenses
>> myself, that means changing frequency or shutting down and not causing
>> interference with non-experimental licenses.  Experimental is not the 
>> gold
>> key to do a hammer down, it is total secondary use.  Somebody should 
>> convey
>> this information to K8OCL.
>>
>> I'd say if they need bandwidth from that experimental license, you'd 
>> better
>> keep all the emissions away from the weak signal area for sure.  If 
>> you've
>> got something that sounds like channel 2 blasting out your tailpipe, a 
>> good
>> place for you is just south of channel 2 let the FMers deal with you.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Dr. Robert B. Bonner
>> K0DD EN13 South Dakota
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gabriel Sierra
>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:21 AM
>> To: World Wide Six Meter Club
>> Subject: [SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL
>>
>> Hello gang,
>>
>> This is John's response to my letter:
>>
>> "Gabriel,
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
>>
>> 73,
>> John - K8OCL"
>>
>> His e-mail is K8OCL at hotmail.com
>>
>> Our user base on 6 meter is a big but normally quiet
>> one, so we are exposed, now that the BW have been
>> limited on the other bands, to this kind of
>> situations. Only us can prevent this from happening
>> again, by swarming like a disrupted fire ants' nest
>> when this things happen. We need to take this
>> experience, and learn from it. Does anybody has an MP3
>> file of how this signals sound? It could simplify
>> making heads or tails of this kind of interference.
>> Keep your ears open, and report to this and other 6M
>> groups. Remember, no ID, no HAM.
>>
>> Take care everyone, 73
>>
>> Gabriel Sierra, WP3BM
>> 51.620 -500 Khz offset, Puerto Rico
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Gabriel Sierra <g_moonrec at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I wrote this to the digi guys in response to the
>>> answer they gave you.
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> Your remark to Bruce about band use are discourteous
>>> at best, not with the etiquette normally found in
>>> this
>>> band. If you have seen the band plan, there is not
>>> much room to work with. From 52 Mhz and up there is
>>> the FM band which hasn't the same propagation
>>> charasteristics as the lower part of the band, and
>>> is
>>> full of repeaters and simplex users, so AM use is
>>> near
>>> to imposible. 50.4 mHz is the international AM voice
>>> frequency. If you know anything about propagation,
>>> even with little power you can wreak havoc on an AM
>>> reception thousands of miles away, and this is more
>>> so
>>> with digital modes. Also, if you know something
>>> about
>>> antennas, most beam antennas have a limited BW, most
>>> have 1000 khz, so moving is not easy without
>>> retuning,
>>> and we all know that inline antenna tuner
>>> performance
>>> is questionable at best. For attitudes like this,
>>> the
>>> FCC now have limited the BW on many bands, when a
>>> bunch of "experimenters" like you, tried to expand
>>> the
>>> BW use for the sake of "hiFi" sounding phone
>>> emissions, and telling bonafide users "you do not
>>> own
>>> the band". Get my drift?
>>>
>>> We are not against experimenting, but bulldozering
>>> your needs over the needs of others without prior
>>> consultation with the band users on the appropriate
>>> channels is unethical, at best.
>>>
>>> Continue with your experiments if you wish, there is
>>> always ITU, and once this fact is known, you will
>>> hear
>>> complains all over.
>>>
>>> Thanks for taking the time to read this. You are
>>> welcome on 50.4 to the various nets in there to
>>> expose
>>> your needs and reach agreements. Once you know there
>>> are legitimate users in a segment and you ignore
>>> them,
>>> it could be taken as malicious interference.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>> Gabriel Sierra, WP3BM Repeater
>>> 51.620, Puerto Rico
>>>
>>>
>>> --- bruce mallon <wa4gch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Bruce,
>>> >
>>> > We have an FCC license, albeit Experimental, just
>>> > like
>>> > you do, so our HSMM testing will continue: all 200
>>> > kHz
>>> > of it and at 1.5 KW, if that much power
>>> > is required for our links.
>>> >
>>> > Last I heard neither you nor SMIRK own the 6M
>>> band,
>>> > at
>>> > least not all of it (HI). Out of 4 MHz there
>>> should
>>> > be
>>> > some room for radio experimenters too,
>>> > wouldn't you agree? However, we are restricted to
>>> > 50.3
>>> > - 50. 8 MHz, while you can go anywhere in the band
>>> > you
>>> > wish.
>>> >
>>> > John - K8OCL
>>> >
>>> >
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>>>
>>> Gabriel Sierra
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>>
>> Gabriel Sierra
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