[SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL

Mon Oct 30 12:44:54 EST 2006

i sent a "smoking" e mail to arrl,  still waiting for a reply, but not gonna 
hold my breath.  FCC is next to get some mail from me, please do the same.
as Robert states below,experimental operations are covered in CFR47:
5.67 Policy governing the assignment of frequencies:
 "Frequency assignments will be made only on the condition that harmful 
interference will not be caused to any station ..."

it is clear that if they are causing interference, then they must cease 
operations.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert B. Bonner" <rbonner at qro.com>
To: "'World Wide Six Meter Club'" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: [SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL

> Whoa, I just joined the reflector late last night.  Did I just jump into a
> hornets nest here?  50.3-50.8?  Who's he kidding?  Right in the upper end 
> of
> all the action.  The band pops open during a contest and there's operating
> all the way past 50.5 on SSB.
>
> Oh but you guys have 50.125 right?
>
> Right now I turn around and spin my pair of 6 elm beams at 60 & 80 feet 
> and
> listen to all the signals that sound like they are from the movie Contact 
> as
> it is.
>
> They have an experimental license? nice.  I've held experimental licenses
> myself, that means changing frequency or shutting down and not causing
> interference with non-experimental licenses.  Experimental is not the gold
> key to do a hammer down, it is total secondary use.  Somebody should 
> convey
> this information to K8OCL.
>
> I'd say if they need bandwidth from that experimental license, you'd 
> better
> keep all the emissions away from the weak signal area for sure.  If you've
> got something that sounds like channel 2 blasting out your tailpipe, a 
> good
> place for you is just south of channel 2 let the FMers deal with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dr. Robert B. Bonner
> K0DD EN13 South Dakota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gabriel Sierra
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:21 AM
> To: World Wide Six Meter Club
> Subject: [SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL
>
> Hello gang,
>
> This is John's response to my letter:
>
> "Gabriel,
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> 73,
> John - K8OCL"
>
> His e-mail is K8OCL at hotmail.com
>
> Our user base on 6 meter is a big but normally quiet
> one, so we are exposed, now that the BW have been
> limited on the other bands, to this kind of
> situations. Only us can prevent this from happening
> again, by swarming like a disrupted fire ants' nest
> when this things happen. We need to take this
> experience, and learn from it. Does anybody has an MP3
> file of how this signals sound? It could simplify
> making heads or tails of this kind of interference.
> Keep your ears open, and report to this and other 6M
> groups. Remember, no ID, no HAM.
>
> Take care everyone, 73
>
> Gabriel Sierra, WP3BM
> 51.620 -500 Khz offset, Puerto Rico
>
>
>
>
> --- Gabriel Sierra <g_moonrec at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I wrote this to the digi guys in response to the
>> answer they gave you.
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Your remark to Bruce about band use are discourteous
>> at best, not with the etiquette normally found in
>> this
>> band. If you have seen the band plan, there is not
>> much room to work with. From 52 Mhz and up there is
>> the FM band which hasn't the same propagation
>> charasteristics as the lower part of the band, and
>> is
>> full of repeaters and simplex users, so AM use is
>> near
>> to imposible. 50.4 mHz is the international AM voice
>> frequency. If you know anything about propagation,
>> even with little power you can wreak havoc on an AM
>> reception thousands of miles away, and this is more
>> so
>> with digital modes. Also, if you know something
>> about
>> antennas, most beam antennas have a limited BW, most
>> have 1000 khz, so moving is not easy without
>> retuning,
>> and we all know that inline antenna tuner
>> performance
>> is questionable at best. For attitudes like this,
>> the
>> FCC now have limited the BW on many bands, when a
>> bunch of "experimenters" like you, tried to expand
>> the
>> BW use for the sake of "hiFi" sounding phone
>> emissions, and telling bonafide users "you do not
>> own
>> the band". Get my drift?
>>
>> We are not against experimenting, but bulldozering
>> your needs over the needs of others without prior
>> consultation with the band users on the appropriate
>> channels is unethical, at best.
>>
>> Continue with your experiments if you wish, there is
>> always ITU, and once this fact is known, you will
>> hear
>> complains all over.
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to read this. You are
>> welcome on 50.4 to the various nets in there to
>> expose
>> your needs and reach agreements. Once you know there
>> are legitimate users in a segment and you ignore
>> them,
>> it could be taken as malicious interference.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Gabriel Sierra, WP3BM Repeater
>> 51.620, Puerto Rico
>>
>>
>> --- bruce mallon <wa4gch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Bruce,
>> >
>> > We have an FCC license, albeit Experimental, just
>> > like
>> > you do, so our HSMM testing will continue: all 200
>> > kHz
>> > of it and at 1.5 KW, if that much power
>> > is required for our links.
>> >
>> > Last I heard neither you nor SMIRK own the 6M
>> band,
>> > at
>> > least not all of it (HI). Out of 4 MHz there
>> should
>> > be
>> > some room for radio experimenters too,
>> > wouldn't you agree? However, we are restricted to
>> > 50.3
>> > - 50. 8 MHz, while you can go anywhere in the band
>> > you
>> > wish.
>> >
>> > John - K8OCL
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
>> Gabriel Sierra
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