[SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL

jim kd6ppn at peganet.com
Mon Oct 30 16:50:21 EST 2006 

yes, it was one of those "if you don't do this then i will do that" type 
letter and membership was mentioned.  also follow this thread and read 
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:ay5rQqzVhikJ:www.arrl.org/announce/reports-2006/july/BOD06-2%2520CTO%2520Annex%2520C%2520rev2.doc+k8ocl&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=13 
some of ocl's statements are blatant lies and/or half-truths, but , he does 
have the ear of the arrl.
in other threads he wants to revamp the license classes and form a new 
class.... don't think the FCC will buy into that, they want to reduce the 
numbers
of classes.  don't hesitate.... e-mail the FCC, just send cc to arrl because 
they don't seem to want to listen to facts
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <janartm at earthlink.net>
To: "World Wide Six Meter Club" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL


> Sending smoking letter to the league helps but with that a decrease in 
> membership money gets their attention.
>
> Art
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jim" <kd6ppn at peganet.com>
> To: "World Wide Six Meter Club" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL
>
>
>>i sent a "smoking" e mail to arrl,  still waiting for a reply, but not 
>>gonna hold my breath.  FCC is next to get some mail from me, please do the 
>>same.
>> as Robert states below,experimental operations are covered in CFR47:
>> 5.67 Policy governing the assignment of frequencies:
>> "Frequency assignments will be made only on the condition that harmful 
>> interference will not be caused to any station ..."
>>
>> it is clear that if they are causing interference, then they must cease 
>> operations.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Robert B. Bonner" <rbonner at qro.com>
>> To: "'World Wide Six Meter Club'" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:29 PM
>> Subject: RE: [SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL
>>
>>
>>> Whoa, I just joined the reflector late last night.  Did I just jump into 
>>> a
>>> hornets nest here?  50.3-50.8?  Who's he kidding?  Right in the upper 
>>> end of
>>> all the action.  The band pops open during a contest and there's 
>>> operating
>>> all the way past 50.5 on SSB.
>>>
>>> Oh but you guys have 50.125 right?
>>>
>>> Right now I turn around and spin my pair of 6 elm beams at 60 & 80 feet 
>>> and
>>> listen to all the signals that sound like they are from the movie 
>>> Contact as
>>> it is.
>>>
>>> They have an experimental license? nice.  I've held experimental 
>>> licenses
>>> myself, that means changing frequency or shutting down and not causing
>>> interference with non-experimental licenses.  Experimental is not the 
>>> gold
>>> key to do a hammer down, it is total secondary use.  Somebody should 
>>> convey
>>> this information to K8OCL.
>>>
>>> I'd say if they need bandwidth from that experimental license, you'd 
>>> better
>>> keep all the emissions away from the weak signal area for sure.  If 
>>> you've
>>> got something that sounds like channel 2 blasting out your tailpipe, a 
>>> good
>>> place for you is just south of channel 2 let the FMers deal with you.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Dr. Robert B. Bonner
>>> K0DD EN13 South Dakota
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gabriel Sierra
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:21 AM
>>> To: World Wide Six Meter Club
>>> Subject: [SixClub] Reply from John K8OCL
>>>
>>> Hello gang,
>>>
>>> This is John's response to my letter:
>>>
>>> "Gabriel,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> John - K8OCL"
>>>
>>> His e-mail is K8OCL at hotmail.com
>>>
>>> Our user base on 6 meter is a big but normally quiet
>>> one, so we are exposed, now that the BW have been
>>> limited on the other bands, to this kind of
>>> situations. Only us can prevent this from happening
>>> again, by swarming like a disrupted fire ants' nest
>>> when this things happen. We need to take this
>>> experience, and learn from it. Does anybody has an MP3
>>> file of how this signals sound? It could simplify
>>> making heads or tails of this kind of interference.
>>> Keep your ears open, and report to this and other 6M
>>> groups. Remember, no ID, no HAM.
>>>
>>> Take care everyone, 73
>>>
>>> Gabriel Sierra, WP3BM
>>> 51.620 -500 Khz offset, Puerto Rico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Gabriel Sierra <g_moonrec at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I wrote this to the digi guys in response to the
>>>> answer they gave you.
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Your remark to Bruce about band use are discourteous
>>>> at best, not with the etiquette normally found in
>>>> this
>>>> band. If you have seen the band plan, there is not
>>>> much room to work with. From 52 Mhz and up there is
>>>> the FM band which hasn't the same propagation
>>>> charasteristics as the lower part of the band, and
>>>> is
>>>> full of repeaters and simplex users, so AM use is
>>>> near
>>>> to imposible. 50.4 mHz is the international AM voice
>>>> frequency. If you know anything about propagation,
>>>> even with little power you can wreak havoc on an AM
>>>> reception thousands of miles away, and this is more
>>>> so
>>>> with digital modes. Also, if you know something
>>>> about
>>>> antennas, most beam antennas have a limited BW, most
>>>> have 1000 khz, so moving is not easy without
>>>> retuning,
>>>> and we all know that inline antenna tuner
>>>> performance
>>>> is questionable at best. For attitudes like this,
>>>> the
>>>> FCC now have limited the BW on many bands, when a
>>>> bunch of "experimenters" like you, tried to expand
>>>> the
>>>> BW use for the sake of "hiFi" sounding phone
>>>> emissions, and telling bonafide users "you do not
>>>> own
>>>> the band". Get my drift?
>>>>
>>>> We are not against experimenting, but bulldozering
>>>> your needs over the needs of others without prior
>>>> consultation with the band users on the appropriate
>>>> channels is unethical, at best.
>>>>
>>>> Continue with your experiments if you wish, there is
>>>> always ITU, and once this fact is known, you will
>>>> hear
>>>> complains all over.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for taking the time to read this. You are
>>>> welcome on 50.4 to the various nets in there to
>>>> expose
>>>> your needs and reach agreements. Once you know there
>>>> are legitimate users in a segment and you ignore
>>>> them,
>>>> it could be taken as malicious interference.
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>>
>>>> Gabriel Sierra, WP3BM Repeater
>>>> 51.620, Puerto Rico
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- bruce mallon <wa4gch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Bruce,
>>>> >
>>>> > We have an FCC license, albeit Experimental, just
>>>> > like
>>>> > you do, so our HSMM testing will continue: all 200
>>>> > kHz
>>>> > of it and at 1.5 KW, if that much power
>>>> > is required for our links.
>>>> >
>>>> > Last I heard neither you nor SMIRK own the 6M
>>>> band,
>>>> > at
>>>> > least not all of it (HI). Out of 4 MHz there
>>>> should
>>>> > be
>>>> > some room for radio experimenters too,
>>>> > wouldn't you agree? However, we are restricted to
>>>> > 50.3
>>>> > - 50. 8 MHz, while you can go anywhere in the band
>>>> > you
>>>> > wish.
>>>> >
>>>> > John - K8OCL
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>>
>>>> Gabriel Sierra
>>>> Moondancer Recording Studios
>>>> moonrec at prtc.net
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>>>
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