[Scan-DC] US Park PD?

John Antonelli Johnantonelli at verizon.net
Tue Mar 2 22:28:30 EST 2010 

Wonder what the underground site is used for.

Charley Armstrong wrote:
> There was and still is an underground facility at this site.  The concrete tower was an AT&T microwave "hard site," built to withstand blast effects from a nuclear attack.  AT&T later built a standard microwave tower, but I'm not sure if it is used any more (or even still there.)  It's been a while since I overflew the site, but I remember seeing microwave antennas on/in the concrete structure.
>
> CA
> Annapolis
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:16 AM, lepine15 at comcast.net wrote:
>
>   
>> That's very interesting...I always heard it was a NIKE site....There must have been some type of underground facility, their are air ducts randomly out in the woods. 
>>
>>
>> So what was the purpose of the concrete silo? 
>>
>>
>> Paul L 
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Albert LaFrance" <albert.lafrance at coldwar-c4i.net> 
>> To: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2010 10:44:04 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
>> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] US Park PD? 
>>
>> Actually, the cylindrical concrete tower on Lambs Knoll was never a Nike 
>> site. It was a classified White House emergency communications facility 
>> code-named CORKSCREW, which provided links to Camp David, Site R and Mount 
>> Weather. It has a sister facility (also now used by the FAA)in Fort Reno 
>> park, in the Tenleytown neighborhood of NW DC. 
>>
>> I have heard the facility identified as a missile site before, and believe 
>> this may have been a cover story propagated to local residents. 
>>
>> Albert LaFrance 
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: scan-dc-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>>> [mailto:scan-dc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
>>> lepine15 at comcast.net 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:36 AM 
>>> To: djoneses at verizon.net 
>>> Cc: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net 
>>> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] US Park PD? 
>>>
>>> I haven't been up to Lamb Hill in years, but before it was ATC 
>>> is was NIKE. 
>>>
>>>
>>> It was disassembled in the late 80's. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe the Fire tower was on the next ridge north and east, 
>>> on Gambrill Mt. if I am not mistaken. (AKA Frederick 
>>> watershed), but it's since been disbanded. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Gambrill Mt. also has other towers in place, close to the 
>>> southern edge of the ridge for DNR use. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul L 
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: djoneses at verizon.net 
>>> To: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net 
>>> Sent: Monday, March 1, 2010 4:02:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
>>> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] US Park PD? 
>>>
>>>
>>> For the 3rd time: 
>>>
>>>
>>> It is on South Mountain.&#160; It's Reno Monument&#160; 
>>> Rd.&#160; The ATC facility likely has other uses.&#160; Many 
>>> years ago the NPS and the MD DNR repeaters were on an old fire 
>>> tower that was often vandalized and there was a large telco 
>>> microwave facility at the site as well. 
>>>
>>> The repeater for the upper end of the canal used to be located 
>>> on a hill in an apple orchard near Paw Paw WV; it may now be 
>>> on Cacapon Mt.&#160; This repeater is required to allow 
>>> coverage west of Sideling Hill.&#160; There was also remote 
>>> receiver for the lower end of the canal located atop the 
>>> Defense Mapping facility on MacArthur Blvd at the DC line. 
>>>
>>> At one time USPP had a Ch. 3 repeater, which was linked to Ch. 
>>> 2, at the WSSC plant near Potomac, MD which allowed portable 
>>> coverage on the canal in the area of Great Falls and 
>>> west.&#160; Don't know if this still exists or not. 
>>>
>>> David 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2010, t11spanner <t11spanner at gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>> Lambs Knoll is located at the top of the hill that Reno 
>>> Mountain road runs along in Washington County. 
>>>
>>> The Frederick County MSP repeater, some other repeaters, a 
>>> "Air Traffic Control" facility, and some other stuff is up there. 
>>>
>>> I believe that the microwave for Manassas Battlefield and 
>>> Prince William Forest, to download to C&O Canal is located up 
>>> there now too. 
>>>
>>> Carl 
>>> -------------------------------------------------- 
>>> From: "Doug Kitchener" <oldsdoug at hotmail.com> 
>>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:05 AM 
>>> To: <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] US Park PD? 
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Thanks to all... have just put all those freqs in the BC-396. 
>>>>
>>>> Ed, like you, I remember the "whole thing" in MD being called the 
>>>> Maryland side... and I still think of it that way... when 
>>>>         
>>> writing the 
>>>       
>>>> original email, I had to look at yahoo maps to determine what roads 
>>>> were called what... now if I can only remember that! (Wonder when it 
>>>> changed... I didn't think it was all that long ago, but 
>>>>         
>>> tempus really 
>>>       
>>>> does fugit!) 
>>>>
>>>> Also, yeah, I recently saw a US Park PD cruiser working 
>>>>         
>>> radar there at 
>>>       
>>>> Little Falls... he'da got me if the guy in front of me hadn't been 
>>>> going slow. (Seems to me that they jink the speed limit up and down 
>>>> through there... I thought at one time that most of it was 
>>>>         
>>> 55 and now 
>>>       
>>>> I think some places are as low as 35... 
>>>>
>>>> One last question... one of the frequencies given in RR for 
>>>>         
>>> C&O canal 
>>>       
>>>> is tagged as Lambs Knoll... where's that? Yahoo maps didn't 
>>>>         
>>> find it... 
>>>       
>>>> I'll keep looking... 
>>>>
>>>> Again, thanks to all... next time a pickup augers in to the canal, I 
>>>> should be up to date! 
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------- 
>>>>         
>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:23:08 +0000 
>>>>> From: edtobias at comcast.net 
>>>>> To: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] US Park PD? 
>>>>>
>>>>> Like the BW Parkway and the GW Parkway, the Clara Barton Parkway is 
>>>>> patrolled by US Park Police. I can attest to this because I was 
>>>>> stopped by a USPP unit running radar on the Clara Barton a 
>>>>>           
>>> few years 
>>>       
>>>>> ago. (No, I did not get a ticket). By the way, long ago, before it 
>>>>> was named the Clara Barton Parkway, that road used to be known as 
>>>>> "the Maryland side of the GW Parkway". 
>>>>>
>>>>> All of those units work off the same dispatch frequency of 166.925. 
>>>>> Here are all of the USPP frequencies, from the 
>>>>>           
>>> RadioReference listing: 
>>>       
>>>>> Park Police 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Frequency Type Tone Alpha Tag Description Mode Tag 
>>>>>           
>>> 166.72500 RM 127.3 
>>>       
>>>>> PL Park PD 1/6 Tactical/Special Events FM Federal 166.92500 
>>>>>           
>>> RM 127.3 
>>>       
>>>>> PL Park PD 2/7 Dispatch/Operations FM Federal 167.07500 RM 127.3 PL 
>>>>> Park PD 3/8 Tactical/Administration FM Federal 166.85000 M 127.3 PL 
>>>>> Park PD 4 Tactical/Special Operations FM Federal Also from 
>>>>> RadioReference, here are the unit numbers. Either the 200 
>>>>>           
>>> or the 300 
>>>       
>>>>> units patrol the Clara Barton: 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> &#8226; 100s - Central (Downtown) 
>>>>> &#8226; 200s - George Washington Parkway &#8226; 300s - West (Rock 
>>>>> Creek Park) &#8226; 400s - Baltimore-Washington Parkway 
>>>>>           
>>> &#8226; 500s 
>>>       
>>>>> - East (Anacostia, etc.) &#8226; 700s - Special Operations 
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "t11spanner" 
>>>>> To: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net 
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 1, 2010 6:51:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] US Park PD? 
>>>>>
>>>>> C&O is part of the National Capital Region of National Parks. 
>>>>>
>>>>> They do not dispatch the Park Police, nor do they do the GW or BW 
>>>>> parkway. 
>>>>> Given the close proximity of those parks to the Park Police, they 
>>>>> patrol it and dispatch it. 
>>>>>
>>>>> C&O Canal, HQ'd in Hagerstown is the central dispatch 
>>>>>           
>>> center for the 
>>>       
>>>>> following National Parks in the Capital Region: 
>>>>>
>>>>> C&O Canal, 
>>>>> Antietam Battlefield, 
>>>>> Monocacy Battlefield, 
>>>>> Harpers Ferry, 
>>>>> Catoctin Mountain Park, 
>>>>> Manassas Battlefield, 
>>>>> Prince William Forest, 
>>>>> Fort McHenry 
>>>>> Hampton Historical Site. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>> From: "David L. Wilson" 
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:10 PM 
>>>>> To: "Doug Kitchener" ; 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] US Park PD? 
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> C&O Canal is not part of National Capital Parks nor GW Parkway 
>>>>>> (though they probably also have those frequencies). C&O 
>>>>>>             
>>> Canal uses a 
>>>       
>>>>>> 3 repeater linked system that has repeaters at Great Falls, Lambs 
>>>>>> Knoll, and Cacapon Mountain. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=2695 
>>>>>> 169.6875 repeater would have been the one to watch. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Doug Kitchener" 
>>>>>> To: 
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:49 PM 
>>>>>> Subject: [Scan-DC] US Park PD? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last night (Saturday), I think around 2300, Montgomery County 
>>>>>> dispatched fire / rescue units to (I think) lock 5 at the 
>>>>>>             
>>> C&O canal 
>>>       
>>>>>> for a vehicle in the canal... it turned out to be a pickup truck 
>>>>>> that had been involved in robbery or burglary or something like 
>>>>>> that, and subsequent police chase, in Ffx county. Vehicle 
>>>>>>             
>>> turned out 
>>>       
>>>>>> to be unoccupied by the time they got there 
>>>>>> (surprise!) and was upright... apparently the water was 
>>>>>>             
>>> not that deep. 
>>>       
>>>>>> I was falling asleep and gathered most of this, but didn't listen 
>>>>>> too much after I heard all that (basically the initial report). It 
>>>>>> was down in the Canal Road / Clara Barton Parkway / Cabin John 
>>>>>> Parkway area. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I _think_ I turned on the 800-meg scanner and I _think_ I 
>>>>>>             
>>> put it on 
>>>       
>>>>>> the MCP Bethesda talkgroup (I didn't have the US Park channels 
>>>>>> programmed into the radio but have just remedied that), but was 
>>>>>> wondering at the time who has jurisdiction there, MCP or US Park 
>>>>>> Police, or both... does anyone know? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked on RadioReference and only see four frequencies 
>>>>>>             
>>> for US Park... 
>>>       
>>>>>> but 
>>>>>> then another four for National Park Service... the NPS channels are 
>>>>>> tagged: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> National Capital Parks - Central (US Park Police Ch. 5); National 
>>>>>> Capital Parks - East; George Washington Parkway; and National 
>>>>>> Capital Parks - Central 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a little more detailed insight about how these 
>>>>>> frequencies are used, and how the Park Police operate? 
>>>>>>             
>>> There doesn't 
>>>       
>>>>>> seem to be any indication of different frequencies for parks / 
>>>>>> facilities / operations in MD, DC, or VA... 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomorrow I'll check Alan's Capitol Hill Monitors site, I think at 
>>>>>> least some of this has been addressed there... 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any info would be of interest! Thanks! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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