[R-390] Gentlemen Please stop or end it!

[wb5uom at hughes.net]

Actually, this has been better than most stuff on TV.

In reality, there are so many very very smart folk here with regards to  THE 
RADIO.

And its really no different than the ladies home knitting group. Same stuff 
comes up now and then
just a different flavor.

And for my .02 worth "SHE" is usually always right in my mind.

David / WB5UOM
East Texas



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Scott" <wa4aos at aol.com>
To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:05 AM
Subject: [R-390] Gentlemen Please stop or end it!


>
> Gentlemen, No need to address the Fine Lady from this list as she ALWAYS 
> takes the high road,
>
> Please, can we stop the, you said, he said, they said junk or the he said 
> back in 2011 and get back to RADIO.
> Remember the movie, Good Morning Vietnam where  Adrian Cronauer said;
> Look, tweedledee, it's an actual event. .... And this is JUST RADIO.
>
> We are all on the SAME team here in that we all enjoy these very fine 
> vintage receivers.
> As I see it, the arguments should be left off of the list. I wonder what 
> the newcomers think
> of this bickering? I wonder how many have decided to just read the 
> documents and not deal with the
> BITCHING?
> Do we ever give thought to what the engineers, technicians and others who 
> originally designed these receivers
> and got them out the door(s), would think about the discourse often put to 
> text here?
>
> Most of the long time list contributors here are extremely knowledgeable 
> and I have learned
> much from the thoughts and suggestions of others as is the case for most 
> of us, present and past
> There is room for ALL and ALL should stay. Lets all strive to always take 
> the path kindness and professionalism .
>
> Of course, there is door number Two..
>
> Yes that's right folks, behind Door Number Two
> is a Pair of brand New, Double barrel, sawed off, 12 gauge 
> Dueling-shotguns loaded with buck shot.
> Here is SC it's still legal, in a few counties, to pick up arms, walk 10 
> paces, turn and fire at your opponent.
> Normally, pistols are used and someone survives. In this case only the 
> readers of this list get that advantage.
>
> Kidding aside, PLEASE, very intelligent people read and contribute to this 
> list. It's a true
> Win Win resource for all of us if we eliminate the mean spirited comments. 
> Lets leave child play where
> it belongs, OFF OF THIS LIST! Or come to SC and take advantage of Door 
> Number Two!!!!!!! I offer my service of
> Professional Pace Counter!!  One, Two, Three......
>
> Regards,
> Glenn Scott WA4AOS
> DSM Labs  (dot com)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>   1. Re: Self-inflicted wounds? (Roger Ruszkowski)
>   2. RF deck alignment (Tisha Hayes)
>   3. Re: Some more  Self-inflicted wounds? (b_hagen at sbcglobal.net)
>   4. Re: Self-inflicted wounds? (wli)
>   5. Re: Self-inflicted wounds? (2002tii)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:05:32 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Roger Ruszkowski <flowertime01 at wmconnect.com>
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Self-inflicted wounds?
> Message-ID: <8D05F6D7DCDB358-1F44-26926 at webmail-d274.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
> Dennis,
>
> Amen to style, Tisha has that.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:23:07 -0500
> From: Tisha Hayes <tisha.hayes at gmail.com>
> To: R390A <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [R-390] RF deck alignment
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I know that this generally falls under the "leave it alone" category but
> has anyone ever gone through the process of aligning the RF deck stages 
> and
> bands for linearity?
>
> Generally I know that we pick a few spots on each band and peak through 
> the
> RF stages for performance but what happens when a slug has been replaced,
> repaired or the spring was accidentally stretched? That one slug will have
> a different peak than the other in the string when the band selector 
> switch
> is lined up that way.
>
> The only way I could think to do it would be to inject a known RF signal
> level and to use a RF microvoltmeter (like a Boonton 92) at test points to
> walk through the stages.
>
> Am I wrong-headed to think that the more selective the RF stages are the
> better the desired response would be at the IF?
>
> Ideas?
>
> -- 
> Ms. Tisha Hayes/ AA4HA
>
> "Objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion
> that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to
> be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of
> the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account." -- George Orwell
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:20:46 -0400
> From: <b_hagen at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'Roger Ruszkowski'" <flowertime01 at wmconnect.com>,
> <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Some more  Self-inflicted wounds?
> Message-ID: <79C0925CDA0F42E7931DF08184347439 at bruce>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> A+
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of Roger Ruszkowski
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 17:04
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Some more Self-inflicted wounds?
>
>
>
>
>
> Fellows,
>
>
>
> If had to reply to every critic of my spelling, grammar, miss use of 
> words,
>
> humor that went clean over your heads, humor that feel flat in the mail
> before
>
> arrival and just dumb wrong statements I have posted, I would never get to
> close a thread.
>
>
>
> I will be honest with you all, you are my writing skills feed back team.
> Back when Wanda said
>
> to me Roger your writing skills suck you need to practice. Back in 73 an
> English teacher in
>
> Okinawa commented to me that every paper I did in his class was on the 
> R390A
> receiver.
>
> And ask was it the only thing I could write about. I said not but it is 
> the
> subject I can write
>
> about and get an assignment done on time with only a couple of drafts. I 
> am
> still writing
>
> R390 papers as impromptu exercising in writing skills. You Fellows are
> reading them and
>
> giving me good feed back. I thank each and every one of you who have sent 
> me
> an
>
> e mail that commented on my writing. I do wish some of you would work on
> your
>
> critical feed back skills.
>
>
>
> After 20 years at Hughes Aircraft as a systems test engineer I can also 
> now
> write a
>
> coherent test procedure test step and do well with boiler plate test
> reports.
>
>
>
> Not much market for these limited skills.
>
>
>
> But people own R390's and have problems with their R390's and did not
> receive 18 months
>
> of training on their R390's maintenance. I love these receivers and do not
> want to ever
>
> hear that one got junked. Just do not even bother to post the story. I can
> live the rest of
>
> my life and never need to know.
>
>
>
> So these people come to the reflector and ask questions. Not knowing R390
> jargon, and not knowing
>
> exactly what the problem is they some times offer up some very vague
> questions. Mostly you Fellows
>
> are very knowledgeable  and do a super job of being very helpful to 
> quickly
> offer up a diagnostic process
>
> to isolate the problem for them. Then  you go on to help them fix the
> problem and if necessary find parts.
>
>
>
> If the solution was to tell them to download a copy of the TM and read the
> book, I think we would be not
>
> mentoring well. We have the R390.net page and we have the Pearls of Wisdom
> and we have the Y2K
>
> manual and we have the reflector archives. And the solution is still not 
> to
> tell your readers with questions
>
> go read the web pages.
>
>
>
> We are mentors. We know where this stuff is. Your job is to distil your
> readers question so we can
>
> provide them a correct solution that solves their problem and not our
> perceived problem of their problem.
>
> Success is determined by our reader. If we are not solving someone's 
> problem
> we are wasting everyone's time.
>
> This brings us back to mentoring. We were asked a question because some 
> one
> though we would help them
>
> with a quick solution. Making a careers of repairing R390's is not out
> readers most important objective. As
>
> good mentors I see we need to utilize the resources we have compiled over
> the years to assist our readers.
>
> We do this by cutting and pasting the best response back into an e mail 
> and
> posting it. So what if we answer
>
> the exact same question 6 time sin six years for 6 readers. These are six
> new readers who are just having the
>
> same repeated problem with their receiver and we know its a common 
> problem.
> But out new reader does not
>
> know this.
>
>
>
> We are Ann and Abby Landers writing advice to our readers. Ann and Abby
> write on a different topics
>
> than we do as we try stay on the topic of R390's and off the topics of 
> Ann,
> Abby, Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz.
>
> We are none the less just column writers. And as we deal with a very
> specific technical topic
>
> (the care and feeding of R390's and R390A's and their near relatives 
> R388's
> R389's and a couple more)
>
> [some one will post the exact nomenclature and remind me I missed them] I
> think we provide a more
>
> important service and certainly to a much smaller audience. But we should
> not underestimate what
>
> we are doing and the value of the service we provide to others who share 
> an
> interest we have in
>
> Amateur radio, antique radio and electronics.
>
>
>
> We do not see Ann Landers or Abby writing that gee Dr. Phil, I so disagree
> with the last personal view
>
> you posted.
>
>
>
> We have an open reflector here so questions can get in. Any one can also
> take a shot at doing
>
> a Ann landers or dear Abby response to any question.  We can all practice
> our writing skills
>
> an entertain a group of readers along the way.
>
>
>
>
>
> As long as I am up on this soap box, I think many of us forget the long
> shadow this reflector
>
> has. Every post I have ever made is still on line. Every post any one 
> makes
> to this reflector
>
> is on line. You can get rude crude and off topic today but it will be on
> line forever. In these days
>
> where more than 30 percent of employers do web searches on prospective
> employees think
>
> about what you post. You are not anonymous in what goes into the R390
> archives.
>
> You have to ask your self do I want a future employer and co workers,
> reading my posts and analyzing
>
> the comments I make about some one, thus getting yourself tagged as mean,
> disrespectful,
>
> insensitive, not a team player, a potential source of discontent,
> indiscreet, and plain crass.
>
>
>
> Or do you understand and see that every post you put on the R390 reflector
> is just like
>
> graffiti on the building wall. Its your tag. Its your art. It says a lot
> about you, your gang
>
> and your standing in the gang. Your post are a display of your writing
> skills. Your subject
>
> matter says a lot about personality.
>
>
>
> A lot of people would like to post a lot of things on this reflector. But 
> I
> ask you to
>
> stop and think about what you write. Maybe you should just hit the delete
>
> key instead of the send key, go get another cold brew, and remain 
> employable
>
> by not having an e mail post limit your employment opportunities for the
> rest of your life.
>
>
>
> I am happy Don does not moderate this list tightly. I get to express my
> self.
>
>
>
> Just my three cents worth.
>
>
>
> Roger Ruszkowski  AI4NI 33C4H  68 - 73  Vietnam, Korea, Okinawa, Ft Devens
> Mass. not in exact  order.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:47:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: wli <wli98122 at yahoo.com>
> To: "r-390 at mailman.qth.net" <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Self-inflicted wounds?
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Well, this has been a real interesting thread. Roger, Rich, and Tisha have 
> been
> very observant. In reality, this group functions on two levels: like a 
> bunch of
> *Elmers* to the newbies, and like a bunch of *experts* puzzling over a 
> complex
> or controversial area. Just admit that no-one knows everything. Diplomacy 
> and
> common courtesy go a long way.
>
> Roger makes a very good point in reminding us that anything we post is 
> there
> FOREVER on the Web servers. Folks can troll back though years of e-mail 
> posts.
> Do not think for a minute that *delete* means it is erased forever. The 
> recent
> flap over data-mining employing text strings is all too true and has been 
> in
> existence for years and years.
>
> One way to look at this forum, is to imagine it as a virtual coffee break 
> area
> in an unheated Quonset hut. We gather to gossip about our latest exploits 
> inside
> the R390's as the new guys and gals listen in. And that is my three cents
> worth.???? W. Li
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 23:32:06 -0400
> From: 2002tii <bmw2002tii at nerdshack.com>
> To: 390 list <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Self-inflicted wounds?
> Message-ID: <20130805033832.6296E11BBCF at karen.lavabit.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Perry wrote:
>
>>Because of using CAPS I was mocked and ridiculed by a list member
>>not once, but twice.  When I wrote online that I believed he owed me
>>an apology I was ridiculed again. A real butt reaming.
>
> Since I was the person who allegedly "mocked" and "ridiculed" you,
> and since you have mischaracterized the facts, I'll take this
> opportunity to set the record straight.
>
> I have included links to the actual posts for anyone who isn't bored
> to tears by this nonsense already and who wants to see the complete
> posts for themselves.
>
> 1.  You posted :  "Ceramic [capacitors] are for RF ONLY and film
> capacitors are for AUDIO
> ONLY."  <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2012-January/050146.html>
>
> 2.  You did not qualify this with "I think," or with "In my opinion,"
> or with "As a general matter," or in any other way -- you proclaimed
> it as A Universal Truth.  What was problematic was the content of
> this statement, not the fact that you underscored it with capital letters.
>
> 3.  I replied, "As I have repeated tirelessly over the years,
> ceramics are much superior as bypass caps and I strongly recommend
> using them when recapping any boatanchor," but that "it is an
> unwarranted overstatement to say that ODs are the 'wrong choice' or
> that they are 'for audio only'" -- and gave reasons for my
> view.
> <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2012-January/050147.html> You
> apparently interpret this as mocking and ridiculing you.
>
> 4.  You took umbrage at my use of the term "unwarranted
> overstatement," called it "personal denigration," asked what
> "unwarranted" meant, and said you thought I owed you an
> apology. 
> <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2012-January/050172.html>
>
> 5.  I disagreed.  Calling something an "unwarranted overstatement" is
> not mocking or ridiculing.  It is merely stating that an assertion is
> not fully supported by available evidence.  I could not believe
> anyone on an e-mail reflector was so thin-skinned that they could
> possibly think calling something an "unwarranted overstatement"
> amounted to an affront of any kind, much less to "personal
> denigration," and said as
> much.
> <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2012-January/050173.html>
> Several other list members posted, seemingly sharing this opinion
> (follow the "unwarranted overstatement" thread in the archives).  You
> apparently interpret this as "[a] real butt reaming."
>
> The two posts identified above were my only posts regarding this matter.
>
> Looking further into the list archives, I found other examples of
> Perry taking umbrage where no reasonable person would think offense
> had been given.  Here is one example (I used this one because when I
> read it I found that I had participated at the time -- anyone who
> cares to search can find others):
>
> A list member posted that he was looking for parts.  Based on a
> number of things, most of which had nothing to do with the list,
> Perry took it upon himself to "call him out" on the list (Perry's
> words).
> <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2008-July/043555.html>  His
> laundry list of perceived offenses was:  (i) the member posted only
> when he needed parts to repair equipment that he then sold; (ii) the
> member did not respond to Perry's e-mail suggesting that he should
> sell radios to list members instead of parting them out; (iii) the
> member didn't want to pay the price Perry was asking for tube
> shields; and (iv) the member described some knobs Perry bought on an
> auction site as in great condition while Perry thought they were only
> average, then he blocked Perry from bidding on his auctions when
> Perry left him neutral feedback.
>
> Among these, the only possible reflection on the member's ethics as a
> seller was that Perry thought he overstated the condition of some
> knobs Perry bought (and even Perry himself didn't seem to think it
> was all that bad -- he apparently did not return the knobs for a
> refund, he did not leave negative feedback, and he was mad that the
> seller blocked him because he wanted to bid on more of the seller's 
> auctions).
>
> I posted that I didn't think any of the perceived offenses was the
> sort of seller fraud that warranted public remarks on the
> list.  <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2008-July/043564.html>
>  Perry defended his
> position.
> <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2008-July/043565.html>  I
> made a final post to clarify why I thought he was out of
> order.  <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2008-July/043573.html>
>
> At the end of that message, I asked:  "Could it be that you take
> offense quite easily, and turn every perceived slight into a hanging
> offense?"
>
> Apparently, we now have the clear answer to that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
>
>
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