[R-390] Gentlemen Please stop or end it!
Les Locklear
leslocklear at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 5 12:19:55 EDT 2013
To keep it on topic, duel with frozen Kielbasa's
Sent from my Galaxy S
Joe Connor <joeconnor53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>To keep it on-topic, how about soldering guns at 10 paces?
>
> Joe Connor
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>>________________________________
>> From: Glenn Scott <wa4aos at aol.com>
>>To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
>>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 11:05 AM
>>Subject: [R-390] Gentlemen Please stop or end it!
>>
>>
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>>Gentlemen, No need to address the Fine Lady from this list as she ALWAYS takes the high road,
>>
>>Please, can we stop the, you said, he said, they said junk or the he said back in 2011 and get back to RADIO.
>>Remember the movie, Good Morning Vietnam where Adrian Cronauer said;
>>Look, tweedledee, it's an actual event. .... And this is JUST RADIO.
>>
>>We are all on the SAME team here in that we all enjoy these very fine vintage receivers.
>>As I see it, the arguments should be left off of the list. I wonder what the newcomers think
>>of this bickering? I wonder how many have decided to just read the documents and not deal with the
>>BITCHING?
>>Do we ever give thought to what the engineers, technicians and others who originally designed these receivers
>>and got them out the door(s), would think about the discourse often put to text here?
>>
>>Most of the long time list contributors here are extremely knowledgeable and I have learned
>>much from the thoughts and suggestions of others as is the case for most of us, present and past
>>There is room for ALL and ALL should stay. Lets all strive to always take the path kindness and professionalism .
>>
>>Of course, there is door number Two..
>>
>>Yes that's right folks, behind Door Number Two
>>is a Pair of brand New, Double barrel, sawed off, 12 gauge Dueling-shotguns loaded with buck shot.
>>Here is SC it's still legal, in a few counties, to pick up arms, walk 10 paces, turn and fire at your opponent.
>>Normally, pistols are used and someone survives. In this case only the readers of this list get that advantage.
>>
>>Kidding aside, PLEASE, very intelligent people read and contribute to this list. It's a true
>>Win Win resource for all of us if we eliminate the mean spirited comments. Lets leave child play where
>>it belongs, OFF OF THIS LIST! Or come to SC and take advantage of Door Number Two!!!!!!! I offer my service of
>>Professional Pace Counter!! One, Two, Three......
>>
>>Regards,
>>Glenn Scott WA4AOS
>>DSM Labs (dot com)
>>
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>>
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>>Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: Self-inflicted wounds? (Roger Ruszkowski)
>> 2. RF deck alignment (Tisha Hayes)
>> 3. Re: Some more Self-inflicted wounds? (b_hagen at sbcglobal.net)
>> 4. Re: Self-inflicted wounds? (wli)
>> 5. Re: Self-inflicted wounds? (2002tii)
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 17:05:32 -0400 (EDT)
>>From: Roger Ruszkowski <flowertime01 at wmconnect.com>
>>To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: Re: [R-390] Self-inflicted wounds?
>>Message-ID: <8D05F6D7DCDB358-1F44-26926 at webmail-d274.sysops.aol.com>
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>>Dennis,
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>>Amen to style, Tisha has that.
>>
>>Roger
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>>Message: 2
>>Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:23:07 -0500
>>From: Tisha Hayes <tisha.hayes at gmail.com>
>>To: R390A <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
>>Subject: [R-390] RF deck alignment
>>Message-ID:
>> <CAACTF11TxcdTFGCHmQ-YXySAaAtJmnLnxbph=U7LVuDqWEk44Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>>I know that this generally falls under the "leave it alone" category but
>>has anyone ever gone through the process of aligning the RF deck stages and
>>bands for linearity?
>>
>>Generally I know that we pick a few spots on each band and peak through the
>>RF stages for performance but what happens when a slug has been replaced,
>>repaired or the spring was accidentally stretched? That one slug will have
>>a different peak than the other in the string when the band selector switch
>>is lined up that way.
>>
>>The only way I could think to do it would be to inject a known RF signal
>>level and to use a RF microvoltmeter (like a Boonton 92) at test points to
>>walk through the stages.
>>
>>Am I wrong-headed to think that the more selective the RF stages are the
>>better the desired response would be at the IF?
>>
>>Ideas?
>>
>>--
>>Ms. Tisha Hayes/ AA4HA
>>
>>"Objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion
>>that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to
>>be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of
>>the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account." -- George Orwell
>>
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>>Message: 3
>>Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 19:20:46 -0400
>>From: <b_hagen at sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "'Roger Ruszkowski'" <flowertime01 at wmconnect.com>,
>> <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
>>Subject: Re: [R-390] Some more Self-inflicted wounds?
>>Message-ID: <79C0925CDA0F42E7931DF08184347439 at bruce>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>>A+
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>>Bruce
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>>On Behalf Of Roger Ruszkowski
>>Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 17:04
>>To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: Re: [R-390] Some more Self-inflicted wounds?
>>
>>
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>>Fellows,
>>
>>
>>
>>If had to reply to every critic of my spelling, grammar, miss use of words,
>>
>>humor that went clean over your heads, humor that feel flat in the mail
>>before
>>
>>arrival and just dumb wrong statements I have posted, I would never get to
>>close a thread.
>>
>>
>>
>>I will be honest with you all, you are my writing skills feed back team.
>>Back when Wanda said
>>
>>to me Roger your writing skills suck you need to practice. Back in 73 an
>>English teacher in
>>
>>Okinawa commented to me that every paper I did in his class was on the R390A
>>receiver.
>>
>>And ask was it the only thing I could write about. I said not but it is the
>>subject I can write
>>
>>about and get an assignment done on time with only a couple of drafts. I am
>>still writing
>>
>>R390 papers as impromptu exercising in writing skills. You Fellows are
>>reading them and
>>
>>giving me good feed back. I thank each and every one of you who have sent me
>>an
>>
>>e mail that commented on my writing. I do wish some of you would work on
>>your
>>
>>critical feed back skills.
>>
>>
>>
>>After 20 years at Hughes Aircraft as a systems test engineer I can also now
>>write a
>>
>>coherent test procedure test step and do well with boiler plate test
>>reports.
>>
>>
>>
>>Not much market for these limited skills.
>>
>>
>>
>>But people own R390's and have problems with their R390's and did not
>>receive 18 months
>>
>>of training on their R390's maintenance. I love these receivers and do not
>>want to ever
>>
>>hear that one got junked. Just do not even bother to post the story. I can
>>live the rest of
>>
>>my life and never need to know.
>>
>>
>>
>>So these people come to the reflector and ask questions. Not knowing R390
>>jargon, and not knowing
>>
>>exactly what the problem is they some times offer up some very vague
>>questions. Mostly you Fellows
>>
>>are very knowledgeable and do a super job of being very helpful to quickly
>>offer up a diagnostic process
>>
>>to isolate the problem for them. Then you go on to help them fix the
>>problem and if necessary find parts.
>>
>>
>>
>>If the solution was to tell them to download a copy of the TM and read the
>>book, I think we would be not
>>
>>mentoring well. We have the R390.net page and we have the Pearls of Wisdom
>>and we have the Y2K
>>
>>manual and we have the reflector archives. And the solution is still not to
>>tell your readers with questions
>>
>>go read the web pages.
>>
>>
>>
>>We are mentors. We know where this stuff is. Your job is to distil your
>>readers question so we can
>>
>>provide them a correct solution that solves their problem and not our
>>perceived problem of their problem.
>>
>>Success is determined by our reader. If we are not solving someone's problem
>>we are wasting everyone's time.
>>
>>This brings us back to mentoring. We were asked a question because some one
>>though we would help them
>>
>>with a quick solution. Making a careers of repairing R390's is not out
>>readers most important objective. As
>>
>>good mentors I see we need to utilize the resources we have compiled over
>>the years to assist our readers.
>>
>>We do this by cutting and pasting the best response back into an e mail and
>>posting it. So what if we answer
>>
>>the exact same question 6 time sin six years for 6 readers. These are six
>>new readers who are just having the
>>
>>same repeated problem with their receiver and we know its a common problem.
>>But out new reader does not
>>
>>know this.
>>
>>
>>
>>We are Ann and Abby Landers writing advice to our readers. Ann and Abby
>>write on a different topics
>>
>>than we do as we try stay on the topic of R390's and off the topics of Ann,
>>Abby, Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz.
>>
>>We are none the less just column writers. And as we deal with a very
>>specific technical topic
>>
>>(the care and feeding of R390's and R390A's and their near relatives R388's
>>R389's and a couple more)
>>
>>[some one will post the exact nomenclature and remind me I missed them] I
>>think we provide a more
>>
>>important service and certainly to a much smaller audience. But we should
>>not underestimate what
>>
>>we are doing and the value of the service we provide to others who share an
>>interest we have in
>>
>>Amateur radio, antique radio and electronics.
>>
>>
>>
>>We do not see Ann Landers or Abby writing that gee Dr. Phil, I so disagree
>>with the last personal view
>>
>>you posted.
>>
>>
>>
>>We have an open reflector here so questions can get in. Any one can also
>>take a shot at doing
>>
>>a Ann landers or dear Abby response to any question. We can all practice
>>our writing skills
>>
>>an entertain a group of readers along the way.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>As long as I am up on this soap box, I think many of us forget the long
>>shadow this reflector
>>
>>has. Every post I have ever made is still on line. Every post any one makes
>>to this reflector
>>
>>is on line. You can get rude crude and off topic today but it will be on
>>line forever. In these days
>>
>>where more than 30 percent of employers do web searches on prospective
>>employees think
>>
>>about what you post. You are not anonymous in what goes into the R390
>>archives.
>>
>>You have to ask your self do I want a future employer and co workers,
>>reading my posts and analyzing
>>
>>the comments I make about some one, thus getting yourself tagged as mean,
>>disrespectful,
>>
>>insensitive, not a team player, a potential source of discontent,
>>indiscreet, and plain crass.
>>
>>
>>
>>Or do you understand and see that every post you put on the R390 reflector
>>is just like
>>
>>graffiti on the building wall. Its your tag. Its your art. It says a lot
>>about you, your gang
>>
>>and your standing in the gang. Your post are a display of your writing
>>skills. Your subject
>>
>>matter says a lot about personality.
>>
>>
>>
>>A lot of people would like to post a lot of things on this reflector. But I
>>ask you to
>>
>>stop and think about what you write. Maybe you should just hit the delete
>>
>>key instead of the send key, go get another cold brew, and remain employable
>>
>>by not having an e mail post limit your employment opportunities for the
>>rest of your life.
>>
>>
>>
>>I am happy Don does not moderate this list tightly. I get to express my
>>self.
>>
>>
>>
>>Just my three cents worth.
>>
>>
>>
>>Roger Ruszkowski AI4NI 33C4H 68 - 73 Vietnam, Korea, Okinawa, Ft Devens
>>Mass. not in exact order.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>Message: 4
>>Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 18:47:21 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: wli <wli98122 at yahoo.com>
>>To: "r-390 at mailman.qth.net" <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
>>Subject: Re: [R-390] Self-inflicted wounds?
>>Message-ID:
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>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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>>Well, this has been a real interesting thread. Roger, Rich, and Tisha have been
>>very observant. In reality, this group functions on two levels: like a bunch of
>>*Elmers* to the newbies, and like a bunch of *experts* puzzling over a complex
>>or controversial area. Just admit that no-one knows everything. Diplomacy and
>>common courtesy go a long way.
>>
>>Roger makes a very good point in reminding us that anything we post is there
>>FOREVER on the Web servers. Folks can troll back though years of e-mail posts.
>>Do not think for a minute that *delete* means it is erased forever. The recent
>>flap over data-mining employing text strings is all too true and has been in
>>existence for years and years.
>>
>>One way to look at this forum, is to imagine it as a virtual coffee break area
>>in an unheated Quonset hut. We gather to gossip about our latest exploits inside
>>the R390's as the new guys and gals listen in. And that is my three cents
>>worth.???? W. Li
>>
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>>Message: 5
>>Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 23:32:06 -0400
>>From: 2002tii <bmw2002tii at nerdshack.com>
>>To: 390 list <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
>>Subject: Re: [R-390] Self-inflicted wounds?
>>Message-ID: <20130805033832.6296E11BBCF at karen.lavabit.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
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>>Perry wrote:
>>
>>>Because of using CAPS I was mocked and ridiculed by a list member
>>>not once, but twice. When I wrote online that I believed he owed me
>>>an apology I was ridiculed again. A real butt reaming.
>>
>>Since I was the person who allegedly "mocked" and "ridiculed" you,
>>and since you have mischaracterized the facts, I'll take this
>>opportunity to set the record straight.
>>
>>I have included links to the actual posts for anyone who isn't bored
>>to tears by this nonsense already and who wants to see the complete
>>posts for themselves.
>>
>>1. You posted : "Ceramic [capacitors] are for RF ONLY and film
>>capacitors are for AUDIO
>>ONLY." <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2012-January/050146.html>
>>
>>2. You did not qualify this with "I think," or with "In my opinion,"
>>or with "As a general matter," or in any other way -- you proclaimed
>>it as A Universal Truth. What was problematic was the content of
>>this statement, not the fact that you underscored it with capital letters.
>>
>>3. I replied, "As I have repeated tirelessly over the years,
>>ceramics are much superior as bypass caps and I strongly recommend
>>using them when recapping any boatanchor," but that "it is an
>>unwarranted overstatement to say that ODs are the 'wrong choice' or
>>that they are 'for audio only'" -- and gave reasons for my
>>view.
>><http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2012-January/050147.html> You
>>apparently interpret this as mocking and ridiculing you.
>>
>>4. You took umbrage at my use of the term "unwarranted
>>overstatement," called it "personal denigration," asked what
>>"unwarranted" meant, and said you thought I owed you an
>>apology. <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2012-January/050172.html>
>>
>>5. I disagreed. Calling something an "unwarranted overstatement" is
>>not mocking or ridiculing. It is merely stating that an assertion is
>>not fully supported by available evidence. I could not believe
>>anyone on an e-mail reflector was so thin-skinned that they could
>>possibly think calling something an "unwarranted overstatement"
>>amounted to an affront of any kind, much less to "personal
>>denigration," and said as
>>much.
>><http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2012-January/050173.html>
>>Several other list members posted, seemingly sharing this opinion
>>(follow the "unwarranted overstatement" thread in the archives). You
>>apparently interpret this as "[a] real butt reaming."
>>
>>The two posts identified above were my only posts regarding this matter.
>>
>>Looking further into the list archives, I found other examples of
>>Perry taking umbrage where no reasonable person would think offense
>>had been given. Here is one example (I used this one because when I
>>read it I found that I had participated at the time -- anyone who
>>cares to search can find others):
>>
>>A list member posted that he was looking for parts. Based on a
>>number of things, most of which had nothing to do with the list,
>>Perry took it upon himself to "call him out" on the list (Perry's
>>words).
>><http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2008-July/043555.html> His
>>laundry list of perceived offenses was: (i) the member posted only
>>when he needed parts to repair equipment that he then sold; (ii) the
>>member did not respond to Perry's e-mail suggesting that he should
>>sell radios to list members instead of parting them out; (iii) the
>>member didn't want to pay the price Perry was asking for tube
>>shields; and (iv) the member described some knobs Perry bought on an
>>auction site as in great condition while Perry thought they were only
>>average, then he blocked Perry from bidding on his auctions when
>>Perry left him neutral feedback.
>>
>>Among these, the only possible reflection on the member's ethics as a
>>seller was that Perry thought he overstated the condition of some
>>knobs Perry bought (and even Perry himself didn't seem to think it
>>was all that bad -- he apparently did not return the knobs for a
>>refund, he did not leave negative feedback, and he was mad that the
>>seller blocked him because he wanted to bid on more of the seller's auctions).
>>
>>I posted that I didn't think any of the perceived offenses was the
>>sort of seller fraud that warranted public remarks on the
>>list. <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2008-July/043564.html>
>> Perry defended his
>>position.
>><http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2008-July/043565.html> I
>>made a final post to clarify why I thought he was out of
>>order. <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/r-390/2008-July/043573.html>
>>
>>At the end of that message, I asked: "Could it be that you take
>>offense quite easily, and turn every perceived slight into a hanging
>>offense?"
>>
>>Apparently, we now have the clear answer to that.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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