[QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA

Sat Nov 17 23:01:37 EST 2012

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The PDF of the Journal will be on the Members Only section of the website, 
just as they are now.

73,
Bob Roske, NØUF
Webmaster QCWA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Peters" <petersj007 at hawaii.rr.com>
To: "Ken Simpson, W8EK" <ExecAdmin at qcwa.org>; <svetanoff at earthlink.net>
Cc: <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA

>I think it is too late to worry about what else might have been done.   I
> think we need to deal with a PDF version sent with email and let each
> chapter figure out the best way to distribute what is left of the 
> magazine.
> In worst case, print one and let the members read it at a meeting.
> Or print enough within each chapter for interested members.
>
> John K1ER
> Honolulu Ch
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Simpson, W8EK" <ExecAdmin at qcwa.org>
> To: <svetanoff at earthlink.net>
> Cc: <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA
>
>
>>
>> Hi Dale,
>>
>> I will conclude this thread with one more comment.
>>
>> You say "If QCWA is, in fact, so close to bankruptcy, and even the
>> modest cost for a 99% reduction in mailings is not affordable, then I
>> contend that a call for help with that expense should have gone out to
>> the chapters prior to making the "all or nothing" decision."
>>
>> I have been doing just as you say, suggesting that chapters make
>> donations to the operating fund, for over two years.  Some chapters
>> did, but most did not.  We can ask, but we can not force the chapters
>> to help.  It is up to them.
>>
>> Producing a print Journal for 50 people is simply not cost effective.
>>  I doubt we could even find a printer who would print that few.  It
>> needs to be more like 1000 copies for printers to be interested, and
>> producing that 1000 would cost us about half of what the present 5000
>> copies costs.  Very simply, we can not afford it.
>>
>> Thanks, 73,
>>
>> Ken, W8EK
>>
>> Ken Simpson, W8EK
>> QCWA Director and Executive Administrator
>> E-Mail to ExecAdmin at qcwa.org
>> QCWA Phone (352) 425-1097
>>
>>
>>
>> Dale Svetanoff wrote, On 11/17/2012 9:03 PM:
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your patient and thoughtful replies.  I'll conclude my
>>> thoughts and comments by saying that yes, I do get the picture as
>>> presented
>>> by you and President Oelke.  What I don't get is why, if there are 
>>> "only"
>>> about 1% (give or take) of the overall membership who do not have e-mail
>>> or
>>> computer access, printed copies of the "Journal" (and other appropriate
>>> documents) could not be prepared and supplied by QCWA HQ.  It seems to 
>>> me
>>> that this would be a very small fraction of the present number of 
>>> printed
>>> copies, at much less cost.
>>>
>>> If QCWA is, in fact, so close to bankruptcy, and even the modest cost 
>>> for
>>> a
>>> 99% reduction in mailings is not affordable, then I contend that a call
>>> for
>>> help with that expense should have gone out to the chapters prior to
>>> making
>>> the "all or nothing" decision.  My concerns over lack of a uniform
>>> solution
>>> for all chapters with members not having e-mail is partly driven by
>>> guessing (rightly or wrongly) that some chapters are better off
>>> financially
>>> than are others.  The members of the "weaker" chapters are likely to see
>>> their supply of hard copy dwindle over a rather short period of time. 
>>> Of
>>> course, with amateur radio being a fraternity of wonderful people that 
>>> do
>>> help one another a lot, I am glad to learn that many donors are stepping
>>> up
>>> to help with the associated issues.
>>>
>>> I do truly appreciate the efforts that the QCWA officers and BoD are
>>> making
>>> to salvage a great organization.  I just happen to think that some
>>> approach
>>> could have or should have been taken that did not penalize members, many
>>> of
>>> them being our oldest and/or incapacitated in some way, just because 
>>> they
>>> lack computer and e-mail access.  Thank you for your time and
>>> consideration.
>>>
>>> Oh, TNX for mentioning use of .PDF files in QCWA.  I agree, the way to
>>> go.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Dale Svetanoff, WA9ENA
>>> VP, Ch 123, and Former Director Ch 2
>>> Member #23985
>>>
>>>
>>>>  [Original Message]
>>>>  From: Ken Simpson, W8EK<ExecAdmin at qcwa.org>
>>>>  To:<svetanoff at earthlink.net>
>>>>  Cc: W8EK Ken Simpson<W8EK at flham.net>;<qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>  Date: 11/17/2012 4:47:53
>>>>  Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Changes taking place in QCWA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Dale,
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks for your comments.
>>>>
>>>>  Apparently neither Ken Oelke nor myself have been able to get the
>>>>  important point across.  That is that the paper Journal would cease to
>>>>  exist regardless of what we did.  It would either stop because the the
>>>>  organization went bankrupt and had to be shut down, or it would stop
>>>>  but we would continue with 12 digital issues as we have.  Again, I ask
>>>>  you -- which would you prefer?
>>>>
>>>>  Others have the same opinion of the CQ publications special format as
>>>>  you do.  We plan to use pdf, which should be much better.
>>>>
>>>>  I am getting dozens of private e-mails from people offering to help.
>>>>  Most chapters will make certain their members will get the Journal.
>>>>  Many have 100% of their members with e-mail, so there is no problem.
>>>>  Others have volunteered to print copies and mail to members who do not
>>>>  belong to a chapter.  The QCWA members have stepped up to help, as we
>>>>  knew they would.
>>>>
>>>>  To sum up, yes, we did think about things, and basically, all of this
>>>>  is happening just as we expected it would.
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks for your concerns.
>>>>
>>>>  73,
>>>>
>>>>  Ken, W8EK
>>>>
>>>>  Ken Simpson, W8EK
>>>>  QCWA Director and Executive Administrator
>>>>  E-Mail to ExecAdmin at qcwa.org
>>>>  QCWA Phone (352) 425-1097
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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