[OKDXA] 3Y0J 30 M FT8

Sat Feb 11 09:56:29 EST 2023

What does "second sequence" mean, Jeff?

And I wonder why there are so many pirates? I would never consider such 
a thing.

73 Jim KI7AY

On 2/10/2023 3:02 PM, Jeff Martin wrote:
> Hi Connie,
>    Well, maybe... Maybe not... They have stated repeatedly that they 
> are using WSJT-X F/H software. You can't transmit*2nd sequence* as a 
> Fox with WSJT-X. I really believe we have multiple pirates out there 
> just screwing with folks. It's the pirate transmitting on the *2nd 
> sequence*. Then he gets a ton of people calling him on the *first 
> sequence*. Then it could be another pirate or the same one calling CQ 
> on the *first sequence* a couple times, just screwing with the 
> multitudes... As I stated before, the other day on 21.105 the 
> multitudes were calling on both sequences. I had a couple decodes of 
> 3Y0J giving someone RR73. This 3Y0J was on the *second sequence* (So 
> not F/H). A little later I copied a CQ from 3Y0J with a Grid of EL97 
> (Florida) on 21.105 *first sequence*(A definite pirate - grid EL97). 
> Then the masses began calling him again on *2nd sequence*... I bet, if 
> and when they ever get a log uploaded, there will be many many 
> disappointed DXers who thought they had a QSO, but are not in the log 
> because they worked a pirate...
>   The real 3Y0J stations are so weak with their 100 watts and a wire 
> and QTH behind mountains on the SE side of the island we can't hear 
> them in NA. They are working EU and JA and a very few W's... The rest 
> of the W's are working pirates...
>   I agree with you that a lot of this is self-inflicted by the 
> DXpedition organizers. They raised a ton of money, publicized the 
> event extensively, and set expectations very high... i.e.... 12 
> stations on the air, 200K QSOs, all band activity, etc., etc. They set 
> expectations very high and they have not delivered. So, folks are 
> frustrated, whether it's justified or not... It's no excuse for the 
> poor behavior we are witnessing on the bands, but it is a 
> contributor...  Compare this DXpedition with the Congo DXpedition of 
> just a few weeks ago... That was a tremendously successful effort, 
> 165K QSOs, very professionally done. You didn't hear the crap on their 
> pileup frequencies like what is on 3Y0J... So, the DXpedition 
> operator/organizer has some responsibility for a smooth running 
> show.... My 2 cents worth...
>
> 73,
> Jeff - K5WE
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>> From "Connie Marshall" <k5cm-2 at suddenlink.net>
> To okdxa at mailman.qth.net
> Date 2/10/2023 1:53:40 PM
> Subject Re: [OKDXA] 3Y0J 30 M FT8
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> A lot of the problem was self inflected by the 3Y0J operators. They 
>> were TXing on 15/45 as a fox. They were doing this on 30 meters the 
>> last two nites that I copied. Was not a problem for me as I us JTDX 
>> software, but for WSJT-X users running as a Hound it put them on the 
>> wrong sequence automatically as soon as the clicked on the 3Y0J call 
>> on the screen.
>>
>> 73, Connie / K5CM
>>
>> On 2/9/2023 11:14 PM, N5OK wrote:
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> I believe you are correct.  I made the same observations.  In 
>>> addition, I
>>> think a lot of these folks have never worked FT8 before and are 
>>> clueless....
>>> What a mess indeed!
>>>
>>> Coy
>>> Coy C Day, N5OK
>>> 20685 SW 29
>>> Union City, OK 73090
>>> H(405) 483-5632 C(405) 448-2368
>>> n5ok at arrl.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 8:39 PM Jeff Martin <jeffk5we at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right now there are many folks calling 3y0J on both sequences on 
>>>> 10.144
>>>> FT8. I have a few decodes of a 3Y0J station calling CQ on the odd
>>>> sequence. He is running multi-streams. My bet is this 3Y0J is a 
>>>> pirate.
>>>> The real 3Y0J is probably also in there on the even sequence as a 
>>>> Fox. I
>>>> never can hear him, he is so weak. Some folks probably do hear him, 
>>>> and
>>>> are calling him as Hounds on the odd sequence, or more likely most of
>>>> those calling are just calling blind... So what we have folks is a 
>>>> real
>>>> mess... I'll say it again, I don't think I have decoded a real 3Y0J 
>>>> yet,
>>>> they are too weak... This is one for the history books... hi...
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Jeff - K5WE
>>>>
>>>>
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73 Jim,KI7AY
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