[OKDXA] 3Y0J 30 M FT8

Sat Feb 11 10:07:52 EST 2023

Hi Jim,
Second Sequence = Transmit beginning on 15 or 45 seconds
First Sequence = Transmit beginning on 00 or 30 seconds

73,
Jeff - K5WE

------ Original Message ------
>From "Jim Darrough" <jim at ki7ay.com>
To "Jeff Martin" <jeffk5we at gmail.com>; okdxa at mailman.qth.net
Date 2/11/2023 8:56:29 AM
Subject Re: [OKDXA] 3Y0J 30 M FT8

>What does "second sequence" mean, Jeff?
>
>And I wonder why there are so many pirates? I would never consider such 
>a thing.
>
>73 Jim KI7AY
>
>On 2/10/2023 3:02 PM, Jeff Martin wrote:
>>Hi Connie,
>>    Well, maybe... Maybe not... They have stated repeatedly that they 
>>are using WSJT-X F/H software. You can't transmit 2nd sequence as a 
>>Fox with WSJT-X. I really believe we have multiple pirates out there 
>>just screwing with folks. It's the pirate transmitting on the 2nd 
>>sequence. Then he gets a ton of people calling him on the first 
>>sequence. Then it could be another pirate or the same one calling CQ 
>>on the first sequence a couple times, just screwing with the 
>>multitudes... As I stated before, the other day on 21.105 the 
>>multitudes were calling on both sequences. I had a couple decodes of 
>>3Y0J giving someone RR73. This 3Y0J was on the second sequence (So not 
>>F/H). A little later I copied a CQ from 3Y0J with a Grid of EL97 
>>(Florida) on 21.105 first sequence(A definite pirate - grid EL97). 
>>Then the masses began calling him again on 2nd sequence... I bet, if 
>>and when they ever get a log uploaded, there will be many many 
>>disappointed DXers who thought they had a QSO, but are not in the log 
>>because they worked a pirate...
>>   The real 3Y0J stations are so weak with their 100 watts and a wire 
>>and QTH behind mountains on the SE side of the island we can't hear 
>>them in NA. They are working EU and JA and a very few W's... The rest 
>>of the W's are working pirates...
>>   I agree with you that a lot of this is self-inflicted by the 
>>DXpedition organizers. They raised a ton of money, publicized the 
>>event extensively, and set expectations very high... i.e.... 12 
>>stations on the air, 200K QSOs, all band activity, etc., etc. They set 
>>expectations very high and they have not delivered. So, folks are 
>>frustrated, whether it's justified or not... It's no excuse for the 
>>poor behavior we are witnessing on the bands, but it is a 
>>contributor...  Compare this DXpedition with the Congo DXpedition of 
>>just a few weeks ago... That was a tremendously successful effort, 
>>165K QSOs, very professionally done. You didn't hear the crap on their 
>>pileup frequencies like what is on 3Y0J... So, the DXpedition 
>>operator/organizer has some responsibility for a smooth running 
>>show.... My 2 cents worth...
>>
>>73,
>>Jeff - K5WE
>>
>>
>>------ Original Message ------
>>>From "Connie Marshall" <k5cm-2 at suddenlink.net> 
>>><mailto:k5cm-2 at suddenlink.net>
>>To okdxa at mailman.qth.net
>>Date 2/10/2023 1:53:40 PM
>>Subject Re: [OKDXA] 3Y0J 30 M FT8
>>
>>>Hi guys,
>>>
>>>A lot of the problem was self inflected by the 3Y0J operators. They 
>>>were TXing on 15/45 as a fox. They were doing this on 30 meters the 
>>>last two nites that I copied. Was not a problem for me as I us JTDX 
>>>software, but for WSJT-X users running as a Hound it put them on the 
>>>wrong sequence automatically as soon as the clicked on the 3Y0J call 
>>>on the screen.
>>>
>>>73, Connie / K5CM
>>>
>>>On 2/9/2023 11:14 PM, N5OK wrote:
>>>>Jeff,
>>>>
>>>>I believe you are correct.  I made the same observations.  In 
>>>>addition, I
>>>>think a lot of these folks have never worked FT8 before and are 
>>>>clueless....
>>>>What a mess indeed!
>>>>
>>>>Coy
>>>>Coy C Day, N5OK
>>>>20685 SW 29
>>>>Union City, OK 73090
>>>>H(405) 483-5632 C(405) 448-2368
>>>>n5ok at arrl.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 8:39 PM Jeff Martin <jeffk5we at gmail.com> 
>>>><mailto:jeffk5we at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Right now there are many folks calling 3y0J on both sequences on 
>>>>>10.144
>>>>>FT8. I have a few decodes of a 3Y0J station calling CQ on the odd
>>>>>sequence. He is running multi-streams. My bet is this 3Y0J is a 
>>>>>pirate.
>>>>>The real 3Y0J is probably also in there on the even sequence as a 
>>>>>Fox. I
>>>>>never can hear him, he is so weak. Some folks probably do hear him, 
>>>>>and
>>>>>are calling him as Hounds on the odd sequence, or more likely most 
>>>>>of
>>>>>those calling are just calling blind... So what we have folks is a 
>>>>>real
>>>>>mess... I'll say it again, I don't think I have decoded a real 3Y0J 
>>>>>yet,
>>>>>they are too weak... This is one for the history books... hi...
>>>>>
>>>>>73,
>>>>>Jeff - K5WE
>>>>>
>>>>>
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