[NLRS] [MWA] N0HJZ - CQWW VHF
Jack K0JP
vhfplus at gmail.com
Mon Jul 19 15:56:45 EDT 2021
Okay, I am going to stifle myself on this one.
First, I operate FT8 because my XYL and I are among the numerous folks
who are lucky to have 100 watts and a wire. Yes, FT8 allows me to work
stations that would be near impossible otherwise and I accept it's value
in that. Second, we have operated CW, SSB, and RTTY piles from DX
locations with a heck of a lot more than just 15 stations calling.
Granted, our operations were not from exotic top-10-wanted locations,
just P4 and HC2, but we've done it.
Now that I've qualified myself I'll say it in the manner that reflects
what I know: "Operating digital modes requires minimal skill!" Note, I
did not say "no skill" because you have to be quick enough to pick out
and click on one of the 15 stations calling. That is a skill but, at
best, a low level one. This weekend my first 23 Qs in the CQWW VHF
contest were FT8. Since I am in EN18 my CQs generated some minor piles,
with 4 stations calling several times and one 5 station pile. It's not
15 but what you have to do to initiate the next QSO is identical. Click
on the list.
BTW, my XYL has no interest in FT8. She's watched me operate and says
"nope", which leads me to believe she is more discerning than I. :>)
On 7/19/2021 2:14 PM, Wyatt Dirks wrote:
>
> Secondly saying digi modes require no skill is clearly coming from
> someone whose never operated a 6m ft8 pile up from Europe for
> instance. ( yes I had 15 plus stations from euope calling me every seq
> for an hour Sunday)
>
> Understand also I'm contester and do very well in vhf contests. Some
> of you know this. Making statements on topics you know nothing about
> is what this thread is about.
>
> 73 Wyatt
> Ac0ra
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> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 1:52 PM Mary Brown <maryalanab at gmail.com
> <mailto:maryalanab at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> There is no skill involved with FT8... assemble hardware and go.
> Computer does the rest other than one or 2 clicks to make a
> contact. Digital needs its own contests or contest category.
>
> Mary
> W0AAT
>
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> <mailto:nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of Jack K0JP
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 1:32 PM
> To: Minnesota Wireless Association; Rolf Krogstad
> Cc: NRLS Reflector
> Subject: Re: [NLRS] [MWA] N0HJZ - CQWW VHF
>
> But at least with RTTY you have an active role in finding stations
> to work, not just clicking off a list. In a RTTY contest if one
> used a skimmer to identify multiple signals you would either be
> DQed (if you tried to enter SO) or placed in a multiop category.
> Why any of the FT modes qualifies as a single op entry is beyond me.
>
> On 7/19/2021 11:06 AM, Rolf Krogstad wrote:
> > What about RTTY, the human ear can't decode it either, yet it
> has had
> > a firm place in ham radio and contesting for many decades.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 11:02 AM Rich Westerberg
> <richn0hjz at gmail.com <mailto:richn0hjz at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:richn0hjz at gmail.com <mailto:richn0hjz at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Jim -
> >
> > First, I'm all for advancing technology and trying new things.
> > FT8 is definitely an advancement in technology.
> >
> > Whether spark-gap, AM, CW or SSB, you have always needed the
> > amateur operator to decode the signal. This new technology does
> > everything for you. The amateur doesn't add any value. It will
> > not be long before you can put the computer on auto-pilot
> and let
> > it work the complete contest for you.
> >
> > The mode has killed VHF Contests. In the past, a June Contest
> > could have QSO counts over 1,000. FT8 has skimmed off enough
> > people where that might not happen again. It would be nice to
> > have a real June Contest with SSB/CW and a separate Digital
> contest.
> >
> > Don't get me started on awards.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 10:36 AM Jim Lageson
> > <jim.lageson at gmail.com <mailto:jim.lageson at gmail.com>
> <mailto:jim.lageson at gmail.com <mailto:jim.lageson at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Sparkgap hams hated CW hams… CW hams hated AM hams…AM hams
> > hated SSB “Donald Duck” hams …SSB hams hated AM and FM
> hams..
> > When PSK31 came CW and SSB hams hated it and cried that it
> > will kill ham radio.. It didn’t.
> >
> > I happen to enjoy FT8. Having a VHF station with limited
> power
> > and antennas digital modes has opened a whole new world
> to me.
> > It seems the perfect weak signal mode for VHF. I don't feel
> > FT8 is going to be the death to VHF contesting, it's just
> > evolving. I worked 58 Europeans this season using a Hex beam
> > and a small 3 element yagi thanks to FT8. I worked
> N1BUG-1200
> > miles and VE2DFO-700miles on 2 meters FT8 running 10 watts
> > during last weekend VHF contest. Maybe contest sponsors
> should
> > give more points for non-digital modes or let you work
> > stations again on different modes, that would get folks off
> > the screen. I consider myself a CW guy and would prefer to
> > work that mode, but for now it is what it is.
> >
> > I hope I didn't open a can of worms but FT8 is not the
> devil.
> >
> > jim
> > n0ur
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 1:48 AM Rich Westerberg
> > <richn0hjz at gmail.com <mailto:richn0hjz at gmail.com>
> <mailto:richn0hjz at gmail.com <mailto:richn0hjz at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Due to a business trip, I could only spend a couple
> hours
> > on Saturday.
> >
> > It was amazing how strong the signals were on 6M on
> > Saturday night, and there were still people sitting on
> > their crystal on 50.313.
> >
> > I couldn't believe how few people were found on 2M
> SSB or
> > CW. I could hear signals on 144.174.
> >
> > There are so many Upper Midwest folks I never heard
> on SSB
> > and CW. FT8 is going to be the death of VHF contesting.
> >
> > 73
> > Rich N0HJZ
> >
> >
> >
> > CQ Worldwide VHF Contest - 2021
> >
> > Call: N0HJZ
> > Operator(s): N0HJZ
> > Station: N0HJZ
> >
> > Class: SOAB LP
> > QTH: MN
> > Operating Time (hrs): 3
> >
> > Summary:
> > Band QSOs Mults
> > -------------------
> > 6: 122 48
> > 2: 7 5
> > -------------------
> > Total: 129 53 Total Score = 7,208
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