[NLRS] 10G test Cabrillo question

Wed Aug 7 17:36:22 EDT 2019

Hi Jon,

You're right! I just looked at the rules. It looks like they are still in
the process of setting up a page to implement this. I won't be worried
about it till it's time to submit a alog.

73, Zack W9SZ

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:53 PM Jon Platt <w0zq at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi Zack.  I have never sent in a Cabrillo log format for the 10GHz & Up
> contest either, but I think the rules have been changed.   You can still
> paper log using their paper log format and their summary sheet, but if you
> use any "electronic" logging you need to send in your log via their
> web site and in Cabrillo format.  This is a change for many/most of us.
> And as Gary has pointed out, the question remains how to indicate on and
> off times (per the contest rules) using an "electronic" logging tool and in
> Cabrillo format.   More questions than answers at this time .... the
> simplest may be just to stick to paper (?).
>
> 73, Jon
> W0ZQ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zack Widup <w9sz.zack at gmail.com>
> To: John Kalenowsky <hamk9jk at gmail.com>; NLRS List <nlrs at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 3:04 pm
> Subject: Re: [NLRS] 10G test Cabrillo question
>
>
> I have never sent in a Cabrillo log for the 10 GHz contest. I have been
> using this logging program:
>
> http://www.xertech.net/Projects/10G_log.html
>
> It takes a bit of getting used to, and you have to use a version of
> Microsoft Excel. I have not been successful in using it with Open Office or
> Libre Office. But it specifically has a column for on and off times and
> displays this in the log file it creates (a PDF file).
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:14 PM John Kalenowsky <hamk9jk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:32 PM Gary2 posed the following query:
> >
> > >
> > > For the 10 G Cumulative, how do you handle On/Off times if the Cabrillo
> > > format?
> > >
> > > 73, Gary WBØLJC
> > >
> > > Good question, Gary.
> >
> > Since the 10 G rules (in #2) do specifically state "Times off must be
> > clearly indicated in the log."
> >
> > There IS a tag named "OFFTIME:" in the Cabrillo spec. (pasted below from
> > http://wwrof.org/cabrillo/cabrillo-specification-v3/ ):
> >
> > *OFFTIME:* *begin-time* *end-time*
> >
> > This tag is used to indicate off-time.
> >
> > OFFTIME: 2002-03-22 0300 2002-03-22 0743
> >
> >          yyyy-mm-dd nnnn yyyy-mm-dd nnnn
> >
> >          -----begin----- ------end------
> >
> > *Note: About on-time and off-time:*
> >
> > QSOs in Cabrillo are logged with a granularity of one minute. The use of
> > one second granularity would lead to the question “during which exact
> > second did the QSO take place?”
> >
> > The ARRL has taken the very sensible interpretation that on-time and
> > off-time also should be considered with a granularity of one minute. In
> > other words, during any given minute you can either be on or off.
> Therefore
> > 1801Z-1830Z would be a 30 minute off-time, with 1800Z being your last
> > minute on before the break and 1831Z being the minute you resume
> operation.
> >
> > If you make a QSO at 1800Z, take a break, and resume operating at 1830Z,
> > then you have completed a 29 minute off-time.
> >
> > (Apologies that it did not 'paste' as cleanly above as it appears on the
> > web page for the spec.)
> >
> > BUT... I think that the OFFTIME: tag has fallen out of use...letting the
> > log checking software verify total operating time (which, for the ARRL
> > Sweepstakes is mentioned in the rule set as follows: "In
> > electronically-submitted Cabrillo logs, off-times are calculated by the
> > log-checking software.")
> >
> > As well, that may be a carryover from HF rule provisions...there is NO
> > mention of minimum offtime in the 10 G rules as there is in many of the
> > operating time limited HF Contests (from ARRL Sweepstakes rules again
> "Off
> > periods may not be less than 30 minutes in length.")
> >
> > I suspect that WA7BNM's Web to Cabrillo form doesn't support that, so it
> > would be necessary to put any offtime's in manually if you used that to
> > enter your log data.
> >
> > Might it be time for the wording in Rule #2 for the 10 G test to be
> > reconsidered? Does/has anyone ever even come CLOSE to 24 hours (let alone
> > exceeding 24 hours) of operating time amongst the 36 total hours allowed
> by
> > the two 18 hour windows, 6 a.m. local to Midnight local on the two days,
> in
> > a given weekend?
> >
> > 73, JK
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