[NLRS] 10G test Cabrillo question

Wed Aug 7 16:53:13 EDT 2019

Hi Zack.  I have never sent in a Cabrillo log format for the 10GHz & Up contest either, but I think the rules have been changed.   You can still paper log using their paper log format and their summary sheet, but if you use any "electronic" logging you need to send in your log via their web site and in Cabrillo format.  This is a change for many/most of us.  And as Gary has pointed out, the question remains how to indicate on and off times (per the contest rules) using an "electronic" logging tool and in Cabrillo format.   More questions than answers at this time .... the simplest may be just to stick to paper (?). 73, JonW0ZQ  -----Original Message-----
From: Zack Widup <w9sz.zack at gmail.com>
To: John Kalenowsky <hamk9jk at gmail.com>; NLRS List <nlrs at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: [NLRS] 10G test Cabrillo question

I have never sent in a Cabrillo log for the 10 GHz contest. I have been
using this logging program:

http://www.xertech.net/Projects/10G_log.html

It takes a bit of getting used to, and you have to use a version of
Microsoft Excel. I have not been successful in using it with Open Office or
Libre Office. But it specifically has a column for on and off times and
displays this in the log file it creates (a PDF file).

73, Zack W9SZ

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:14 PM John Kalenowsky <hamk9jk at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:32 PM Gary2 posed the following query:
>
> >
> > For the 10 G Cumulative, how do you handle On/Off times if the Cabrillo
> > format?
> >
> > 73, Gary WBØLJC
> >
> > Good question, Gary.
>
> Since the 10 G rules (in #2) do specifically state "Times off must be
> clearly indicated in the log."
>
> There IS a tag named "OFFTIME:" in the Cabrillo spec. (pasted below from
> http://wwrof.org/cabrillo/cabrillo-specification-v3/ ):
>
> *OFFTIME:* *begin-time* *end-time*
>
> This tag is used to indicate off-time.
>
> OFFTIME: 2002-03-22 0300 2002-03-22 0743
>
>          yyyy-mm-dd nnnn yyyy-mm-dd nnnn
>
>          -----begin----- ------end------
>
> *Note: About on-time and off-time:*
>
> QSOs in Cabrillo are logged with a granularity of one minute. The use of
> one second granularity would lead to the question “during which exact
> second did the QSO take place?”
>
> The ARRL has taken the very sensible interpretation that on-time and
> off-time also should be considered with a granularity of one minute. In
> other words, during any given minute you can either be on or off. Therefore
> 1801Z-1830Z would be a 30 minute off-time, with 1800Z being your last
> minute on before the break and 1831Z being the minute you resume operation.
>
> If you make a QSO at 1800Z, take a break, and resume operating at 1830Z,
> then you have completed a 29 minute off-time.
>
> (Apologies that it did not 'paste' as cleanly above as it appears on the
> web page for the spec.)
>
> BUT... I think that the OFFTIME: tag has fallen out of use...letting the
> log checking software verify total operating time (which, for the ARRL
> Sweepstakes is mentioned in the rule set as follows: "In
> electronically-submitted Cabrillo logs, off-times are calculated by the
> log-checking software.")
>
> As well, that may be a carryover from HF rule provisions...there is NO
> mention of minimum offtime in the 10 G rules as there is in many of the
> operating time limited HF Contests (from ARRL Sweepstakes rules again "Off
> periods may not be less than 30 minutes in length.")
>
> I suspect that WA7BNM's Web to Cabrillo form doesn't support that, so it
> would be necessary to put any offtime's in manually if you used that to
> enter your log data.
>
> Might it be time for the wording in Rule #2 for the 10 G test to be
> reconsidered? Does/has anyone ever even come CLOSE to 24 hours (let alone
> exceeding 24 hours) of operating time amongst the 36 total hours allowed by
> the two 18 hour windows, 6 a.m. local to Midnight local on the two days, in
> a given weekend?
>
> 73, JK
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