[NJARC] Club selling High Value items on Ebay

Wed Feb 25 13:34:23 EST 2009

Mike,

You make a good point -- but it's not shill bidding.

To me, shill bidding is when the seller -- or someone conspiring with the seller -- intentionally drives the price up, but has no interest in winning the item. They are simply trying to obtain a higher selling price.

I think the BEST way may be to use ebay as a reference (looking at completed auctions for same or similar items), and use that information to determine the Fair Market Value of a high-end item. Then discount that by the proposed 20%, and offer it to the membership.

This is the best of both worlds -- we use ebay as a reference to determine the FMV, and we offer the item to members *without* putting it on ebay, and dealing with all that overhead (read: bulls--t).

Regards,

John

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Mike Feher <n4fs at eozinc.com> wrote:

> From: Mike Feher <n4fs at eozinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Club selling High Value items on Ebay
> To: "'Al Klase'" <al at ar88.net>
> Cc: "'NJARC'" <njarc at mailman.qth.net>, "'John Dilks K2TQN'" <oldradio at worldnet.att.net>
> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 9:27 AM
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> >From my perspective it would only be legal if the NJARC
> member won. Since
> the NJARC member knows that he will be entitled to a
> discount he can
> effectively bid higher than his competition. So, let's
> say there is an item
> up there where it is expected to go for around $1000. The
> NJARC member can
> safely bid $1000 as he will then get it for $800. However,
> if someone wants
> it real bad and throw in a bid of $1200, then they will
> have to pay $1025.
> So, the NJARC bidder drove up the price as without his bid,
> the other guy
> could have won it for a lot less. That is essentially shill
> bidding and
> usually frowned on. - Mike 
> 
> Mike B. Feher, N4FS
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> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Al Klase
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:40 AM
> Cc: NJARC; John Dilks K2TQN
> Subject: Re: [NJARC] Club selling High Value items on Ebay
> 
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> _________________________________________________________
> While the discount scheme is do-able, I wonder if it's
> legal.  I the an 
> attorney in the house? - Al
> 
> John Ruccolo wrote:
> > John and Tom,
> >
> > I think you both make excellent suggestions. I also
> agree that 20% is a
> reasonable discount. I like the idea of putting the item on
> ebay as a way of
> determining fair market value. 
> >
> > I guess we'll leave it up to the Board....
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, John Dilks K2TQN
> <oldradio at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> From: John Dilks K2TQN
> <oldradio at worldnet.att.net>
> >> Subject: Club selling High Value items on Ebay
> >> To: "Thomas Lee"
> <thomas_v_lee at hotmail.com>, "John R"
> <jr6v6gt at yahoo.com>, "Al K"
> <al at ar88.net>
> >> Cc: "NJARC"
> <njarc at mailman.qth.net>
> >> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 4:28 AM
> >> There is a way for the club to sell high value
> items on ebay
> >> and still accommodate members, here's the idea
> which can
> >> be adjusted to suit by the board....
> >>
> >> Put up the item on Ebay as normally, then if a
> club member
> >> wins, they notify the club contact.  Instead of
> paying full
> >> price with PayPal they arrange to pay at the next
> meeting
> >> and receive a % discount, say 20%, and then pick
> up the item
> >> at the same meeting saving shipping.  This way the
> club
> >> maximize$ the item and if a club member wins it,
> they get it
> >> cheaper.
> >>
> >> Members without computers could use a surrogate to
> bid for
> >> them.  (But today almost everybody has a computer,
> don't
> >> they?)
> >>
> >> 20% cheaper sounds fair to me, and should keep
> Ebay
> >> flippers at bay.
> >>
> >> 73, John Dilks
> >>
> >>
> >> At 12:40 AM 2/25/2009, Thomas Lee wrote:
> >>
> >>     
> >>> Hi John, All,
> >>>
> >>> perhaps a fair compromise would be to offer
> the
> >>>       
> >> "choice" items to members first at a
> fair market
> >> value or a sight below member discount?  If it
> doesn't
> >> go, then ebay?
> >>     
> >>> Tom
> >>>       
> >
> >
> >       
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