[Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737

[Robert P. Meadows]

Boeing "forgot" to include the information of the new trim system in the
pilots handbook.
There is in fact a switch to turn of the auto, however when one is rather
occupied with trying not to die, one hasn't time to read all the manuals, or
search for the new rather obscure switch.
R

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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:08 PM
To: Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737

First, you need to understand that you have a stab run away :) The rest is
easier, once you understand the problem.

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> On Dec 30, 2018, at 21:48, Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting.  It's odd though that they said a couple of times the pilots
weren't aware of the procedures for runaway trim.  It's been a very
deliberate part of training for every small plane I've been in and is even
part of some checklists to assure that the methods work before leaving the
ground.  I find it hard to fathom that a 737 pilot does not know how to do
this.
> 
> Peter
> 
> P.S. Are the new automatic braking and adaptive cruise systems in cars
leading us all into such situations?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/30/2018 9:11 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>> 
>> Offtopic, but there may be some here interested generally in aviation.
>> 
>> N.Y. Times for 18 Nov. 2018 has an interesting article on the measures
the Lion Air 737 pilots should have taken to counter the defective MCAS
automation.
>> 
>> Nice photos of pilot controls pointing out which controls to manipulate.
>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/world/asia/lion-air-cr
>> ash-cockpit.html
>> 
>> -Hue
>> 
>> 
> Interesting.  It's odd though that they said a couple of times the pilots
weren't aware of the procedures for runaway trim.  It's been a very
deliberate part of training for every small plane I've been in and is even
part of some checklists to assure that the methods work before leaving the
ground.  I find it hard to fathom that a 737 pilot does not know how to do
this.
> 
> Peter
> 
> P.S. Are the new automatic braking and adaptive cruise systems in cars
leading us all into such situations?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/30/2018 9:11 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>> 
>> Offtopic, but there may be some here interested generally in aviation.
>> 
>> N.Y. Times for 18 Nov. 2018 has an interesting article on the measures
the Lion Air 737 pilots should have taken to counter the defective MCAS
automation.
>> 
>> Nice photos of pilot controls pointing out which controls to manipulate.
>> 
>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/world/asia/lion-air-cr
>> ash-cockpit.html
>> 
>> -Hue
>> 
>> 
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