[Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737

[Peter Gottlieb]

The newer Cessna 182's have a collar around the trim servo breaker so it is easy 
to find blind and pull out.

Bad on Boeing to make such an omission!  Lawsuit territory!



On 12/30/2018 11:40 PM, Robert P. Meadows wrote:
> Boeing "forgot" to include the information of the new trim system in the
> pilots handbook.
> There is in fact a switch to turn of the auto, however when one is rather
> occupied with trying not to die, one hasn't time to read all the manuals, or
> search for the new rather obscure switch.
> R
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> <milsurplus-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Francesco Ledda
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:08 PM
> To: Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Milsurplus] ( OT ) Lion Air 737
>
> First, you need to understand that you have a stab run away :) The rest is
> easier, once you understand the problem.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 30, 2018, at 21:48, Peter Gottlieb <kb2vtl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting.  It's odd though that they said a couple of times the pilots
> weren't aware of the procedures for runaway trim.  It's been a very
> deliberate part of training for every small plane I've been in and is even
> part of some checklists to assure that the methods work before leaving the
> ground.  I find it hard to fathom that a 737 pilot does not know how to do
> this.
>> Peter
>>
>> P.S. Are the new automatic braking and adaptive cruise systems in cars
> leading us all into such situations?
>>
>>
>>> On 12/30/2018 9:11 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Offtopic, but there may be some here interested generally in aviation.
>>>
>>> N.Y. Times for 18 Nov. 2018 has an interesting article on the measures
> the Lion Air 737 pilots should have taken to counter the defective MCAS
> automation.
>>> Nice photos of pilot controls pointing out which controls to manipulate.
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/world/asia/lion-air-cr
>>> ash-cockpit.html
>>>
>>> -Hue
>>>
>>>
>> Interesting.  It's odd though that they said a couple of times the pilots
> weren't aware of the procedures for runaway trim.  It's been a very
> deliberate part of training for every small plane I've been in and is even
> part of some checklists to assure that the methods work before leaving the
> ground.  I find it hard to fathom that a 737 pilot does not know how to do
> this.
>> Peter
>>
>> P.S. Are the new automatic braking and adaptive cruise systems in cars
> leading us all into such situations?
>>
>>
>>> On 12/30/2018 9:11 PM, Hubert Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Offtopic, but there may be some here interested generally in aviation.
>>>
>>> N.Y. Times for 18 Nov. 2018 has an interesting article on the measures
> the Lion Air 737 pilots should have taken to counter the defective MCAS
> automation.
>>> Nice photos of pilot controls pointing out which controls to manipulate.
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/16/world/asia/lion-air-cr
>>> ash-cockpit.html
>>>
>>> -Hue
>>>
>>>
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